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No - just tabs! I highlighted the link as you posted it, clicked Search Google to find it, clicked on the Google link which opened the article in another tab - then just copied the link in the address bar at the top, came back to this thread and put it in Link.

All I then had to do was close the Google search tab and the tab with the actual article.

Me too!

Thanks Carole & Malka.

However, the article only makes light of the JRT being newly recognized by the KC. There is no mention of them having been previously registered or any selective breeding programme registry? So I'm completely confused on what Tina means there.

Quote from the article -

Many people think that the Jack Russell Terrier is already a recognised breed, because they have seen one in their local park or doing the school run with parents, but there are so many varieties of Jack Russell that until now it has not been officially recognised by the Kennel Club.

So it's not possible any UK bred JRT is a Champion within this country, although could have course obtained such titles elsewhere in Europe where applicable.

Thank you. I will experiment Malka, but that sounds way too clever for me

But you had the article open in the first place. All you had to do was copy the link in the top address bar, click on the Link icon above the message pane, and insert the link you had copied.

I had to go through Google Search to find the article because I did not have it.

In all my years I have never seen a Black and Tan JRT, as they are probably the most common dog you will see its news to me they throw Black and Tans, If as you say every now and again they throw such a colour it means something else is in their bloodlines. What I find odd us that you say your breeder breeds US KC standard dogs , and he is still throwing Black and Tans, then his breeding lines can't be all that pure,

It's like someone saying they have a black boxer, it's not possible for boxers to be black, regardless how far back in their heratage you go, the only way you can have a black boxer is if a boxer has been bred to a black dog of another breed. Hence my point in the unrecognised colour of the JRT.

Plus, you can't have a litter with some pure pups and some not , unless of cause there was two mating, the point being if this litter has thrown a suspect colour , then surely the whole litter will have a dubious heratage.

Again going back to the boxer, if a litter had two blacks in, you can't say we will register all the accepted colours but not the blacks, what it means is the whole litter will be from crossbred heratage...

I have been catching up on my reading tonight, and got as far as the Oct. 16th. copy of Dog World. There is an article on page 3 about JRT recognition which supports all that Tina has been telling us. Basically, the interim standard should be ready by April 1st. (unfortunate date!), and dogs with valid import pedigrees will be registered. Head study and profile photographs will be required for dogs on the UK club registry, and those without a pedigree will need a physical examination. If approved those will have an annotated registration until there have been three generations of KC registered dogs. (This is similar to the old Class 2 registration which I have mentioned before when discussing outcrosses).
A comment from respected JRT owner Geoff Corish states that dogs will not be eligible for exhibition until the interim standard is published, but though it was originally thought that they would have to go on the Import register, as they are a British breed, he thinks they will now go straight into UK breed classes next year.

Exactly, though this has happened in other breeds too. It is like they are trying to do damage control. They must do something about the problem so they won't register dogs of "blank" color within whatever breed and sometimes revoke registration of those that were previously registered with them if it had been allowed.

It doesn't make sense from a genetic standpoint. You can't eliminate a breeds genetic influence eliminating a single gene. A pup born the wrong color won't be registered but the litter mates will be as if the one is a total mutt and the rest are completely pure. Meanwhile the parents are still registered and continue to be bred.

I read the same article and I think I read he also thought they would be able to show at CRufts next year, when I read that I thought he does not realy understand what's involved.

Tina also told us that the JRT will be shown and judged in the same classes as the parson russel , which is impossible as they are two completely different breeds, it will be very interning to watch this develop over the next few years , there is a long road to walk first before we see classes for the JRT.

Mind Tina's thread has brought up some very interesting reading regarding the JRT , We all know no two JRT are alike, but the one thing they all have in common is colour, how a breeder can produce black /tan or solid chocolate is confusing to say the least specially if said breeders are reputablely breeding kc registered dogs,

The photos Tina kindly posted of the black/tan puppies look of dubious heratage they don't resemble anthing like a JRT.

Going back to the article, I can see the logic in 3 generation pedigree, but to include those of no heratage by an examination sounds fool hardly to say the least, why not do as other breeds and import dogs with proven heritage to bring numbers up and add to the gene pool.

Yes Parson Terrier & Jack Russell will be in same category like the Springer Spaniel & Cocker Spaniel, so will be judged against each other.

Just another thought Carolec , you know that next years shedules are already out and printed, how are they going to squeeze in another breed, not to mention finding judges ( that are not already booked up) to judge a breed that 1) has not yet got a standard 2 ) they are not on the register to judge said breed ?

I would think if anything they may ( those with foreign registration ) allowed in AVNSC ,but even then the judge must know the standard.

Sorry Tina that's not right, what you mean is the JRT will be shown in the terrier group, NOT in the same class as the parson, they will not be judged against each other, as with the springer and cocker, they are shown in the gundog group, they are judged separately , as they are two separate breeds, they do not get judged against each other,

The JRT club think it going to be more likely 2018 when the JRT's will be showing at Crufts, might with a squeeze be 2017 but looking more like 2018.

Yes same category then the winner of best in breed goes into ring for over all winner of category (terrier) so therefore PT & JR will be judged against each other.

They will have to qualify first...

And judges will have their judging appointments already booked up for the next few years.,

There's already 10 JRT Judges in England that will be selecting the qualifying dogs.
1 of them is a TV vet can't think of his name at moment. (From Rolf Harris vet programme)

No Tina when they go into the group ring they are not judged against each other, the judge will evaluate all terriers against their breed standard, he does not judge the dogs against each other.

The parson and JRT will be in the ring together, but not judges against each other.

Are these judges on the KC judging list .

Think so Jackie its what was sent by the KC to the JRT club chairman