When does a crossbreed become a breed? Discussions

Have to agree, but if people want these 'breeds' to be recognised they would have to a) have a fully functioning club b) have a breed standard c) have some sort of stud book/registration system to verify parentage which in this day and age would probably require microchipping and DNA profiling to prove paternity and d) would need to be closed bred as Debs has said, no input from parent breeds etc for significant number of generations.
I know the KC wont accept them until the stud book is closed.
Becky

Phil you are missing out on sometime that has nothing to do with the dogs breed and it's called FASHION.

For as long as they are people out there willing to buy these dogs, then there is always going to be people capitalising from the situation.

I found this web page which will tell you a bit about them:
http://www.labradoodles.org.uk/profile.html

That link just proves how difficult it is to get crosses to breed true lol!
Becky

All breeds have been crossed in some way or other to make a pedigree.It is hard work and a lot of studying on breeds and what is in them.Its not about putting 2 dog breeds together and hoping for the best as we all know.Years ago i wanted to introduce a new breed of dog.Mostly everybodies dreams to introduce a new breed.I have this argument with the irish staff just for an example.Why doesn't the kennel club recognise it as a breed.What do you put it under a staff or pitbull.Going back into history it is the closest thing to the true staffy.We all could go on and on.Is there a true breed out there.Ye the wolf.

Well to give you some idea of how long it takes for a crossbreed to become recognised as a full breed, try around 50 years of continual improving of the breed in the case of the Dobermann.

Have a look at the below link and you will see what I mean.

http://dobermannreview.co.yu/dobermannicca/breed_founders

So at what stage does a crossbreed become a breed?

When there have been a relevant number of generations bred of that cross, with others of good enough standard that a standard can be relatively expected.

I'd go along with that - seems fair enough.

Certainly doesn't need any 'group' or 'official body' to give it some jumped up official aproval.

'Cocking' and 'Springing' spaniels evolved through selective size breeding and attained a level of functionality for the people that used and bred them well before they were given the royal seal of aproval.

Although having said that I do think they should aim towards recognition, because besides all of the KC's flaws, there's something to be said for them, when DDs are a novelty because they are'nt registered and the general public seems to think this is a good thing, so maybe it would take the novely of it away a bit.

If they ever do become a recognised breed they will not be called Labradoodles as by the time they breed true in every litter they will be many many generations away from the original breeds the name will then be obsolete & if Cesky Terriers are anything to go buy it will take over 60 years before the KC recognise them from the inception of the idea of the breed.

The idea of developing a new breed simply for pets is IMHO just a money making venture, just like breeding non standard colours in say GSDs, Labradors, etc etc A gimmick nothing less. The example of a LD is interesting as they are claimed to be non shedding & ideal for people with allergies, however they do not breed true & they do shed the dander that causes the allergic reaction from the labrador in the mix, so they are not so ideal

Now developing a new breed for a reason-ie for a job of work is a different matter, however I think people would be pushed to fine a job there wasn't already a breed in existance to do it