Whats going on with NI pups? Controversial

OH so predictable..

Sally if you are so up on the use of the English language and punctuation I know a breed club president who could use some tuiton (not having a go as she's admitted it herself)

Oh and Berniebitch??

Just for your information on the other thread you got locked..I went to my bed I have dogs to walk and horses to muck out and thats all before I take my kids to school of a morning..BUt yeah you might be right that you aren't worthy of an answer..BUT you know what am goign to give you one..

My "mutts" are Malamutes..and if it wasn't for my breed of mutt you wouldn't have the mutts you have today..

My mutts have a long history and everything is there in black and white for all to see, no secrecy etc..

So before you call anyone elses dogs MUTTS think about your own first

Are you? You have owned one for 5 minutes and have believed everything you have been told. Im not the one being sucked in.

As far as KCjack goes, I dont know her personally, but she is intent on ousting problems within HER breed, so for that I commend her, she doesnt shut up when she is told to as she doesnt answer to anyone, neither do I.

Ohhh I think me and my mutts are in that camp too then

Or should that be My Mutts and I?

Round of applause from me on that.

I reckon more people whether it be owners or breeders need to be more honest about health issues and I'm not just talking about NI's here,I'm talking about all breeds.Maybe they'd get more respect from people for being open and honest,there are way too many things swept under the carpet in hope that it'll go away.Due to kcjack and yourself asking so many questions and receiving no answers speaks volumes ;-)xxxxxxxxx

These threads become like reading practise runs for unfunny stand up routines.

Honestly, it's ridiculous!

Why is it ridiculous? I for one would very much like to know the answers to these questions.. there`s so much lying within the breed.

If you don't think these threads are ridiculous - then I can't explain.

Why don't you know everything you need to know, your close to Sandra and tida arn't you? That's with no disrespect but I would have thought if you were close to someone that involved in the breed that you would know what you wanted to already??

That's not to say questions don't need to be answered - but what's the point in these posts? The questions are never gonna be answered in any of them and all it ever turns out to be is people trying out unfunny 'one liners' out on each other! It becomes more about the people posting then it ever will be about the dogs.

Don't see why though you'd need to be close to some one within a breed to know what the problems are...any problems should be out for all to see, so people CAN make informed decisions about a chosen breed x

I didn't say that people should need to be close to someone in the breed to know but Janie said SHE would very much like to know the answers - I figured she would / should know them already.

Of course i don`t know them already.. neither do TIDA as we all know what we are told through word of mouth from one of the founding breeders. But so much of what we`ve been told has been found to be incorrect.. or downright lies. But that doesn`t mean we know the real truth... just the NIS propaganda.

Thing is as Patch said if the autopsy results were posted they couldnt be twisted or misinterpreted as they are fact in black and white so if you had nothing to hide you wuld shut us up with facts instead of abusive names.

If the ida don't know anything or at least don't know the 'truth' then they shouldn't be breeding and promoting the dogs.

But then the same can be said for the NIS

Then nor should any NI breeder... especially so for NIS breeders, as they should have it first hand from their president and what has been discovered about certain practices with in that society.. they should never breed again

I'm a bit confused - do you mean that no more NI should be bred and let the breed die out?

You obviously know something I don't, but I'd like to know if you can share that information? Does sound worrying if you believe the breed itself should not continue.

If there is no honesty forthcoming and the practises regarding there breeding ethics continue as it has been brought to my attention thats those 3 pups are not the only ones that died sadly. Then yes the breed should be allowed to die out.

The N.I.S arn't the one's saying they know nothing. But yes, if N.I.S breeders feel they don't know enough and feel similar to Janie - then no they shouldn't be breeding and promoting either.

But to think that someone such as Sandra has been breeding NI since before I got Keena - probably over 5yrs + that is alot of time to decide you actually don't know enough about the breed - that is if tida know as little as Janie said.

I'm not into the N.I.S v TIDA. But I will say something when I believe one is trying to come out better then the other. So if the ida are the professional one's that do things right then you would expect them to act more responsibly? Yes if you haven't health tested your dogs and you think you know nothing about the 'truth' whatever that is - then what is anyone's reason in breeding?

I presume you are referring to a pic of my dogs (which was posted on the NIS forums) with this remark? I'm also sorry that it doesn't surprise you either dawn, but lets get the facts straight first shall we?

My dogs were NOT tied to the fence by their halti's. They had just come back from a run around the fields (which they did several times during the day) and yes, I use dogmatic headcollars on two of them. I hadn't taken their dogmatics off when I took the pic, I just wanted to get a nice photo of them all together as its very hard to usually as they don't all stay in the place at the same time. In my photo incidentally, you can clearly see that they are clipped by their normal collars, NOT the headcollars.

They were NEVER left unsupervised, they were not tied up for long at all, as lots of people can attest to, and when they were they were lolled all over me and my husband having cuddles as we were all knackered (us and my dogs!). Of course theres no mention of the fact they were able to use the back of our van which had big comfy beds in to have a sleep or a quiet lie down if they wanted, but then again the comment was posted without all these facts as I believe the intention was to make it seem like I had tied up my dogs by their headcollars and just left them there, to make out that as an NI owner I am a bad owner. How dare you take a photo that I posted on another forum and twist it to use for your own means pureley to make an NI owner look bad?

Its getting ridiculous, I don't bother posting pics on here any more because of all the bad feeling going on here, and now it seems I can't even post a picture on an unrelated members only section of a forum without it being misconstrued and brought here. I am totally fuming and disgusted about this. I don't think I will be posting any more on here (I had almost given up doing so anyway), which is a shame as there are some really lovely people on here, but this really is the final straw.

I saw the pic of the dogs wearing their halti's this morning and there looked absolutly nothing wrong with it - I would say so if I thought there was something wrong. To me it looked like someone just slipped the leads over the post so they could take a quick picture. [now I see they wern't even attached by the headcollars] I don't know why this sort of thing gets brought up - it's pointless.

Did I mention you? Er no if you are feeling guilty thats your problem dont make it ours.