Then and Now.. Discussions

Ahh but the beauty of the border collie is that you can still get types like Auld Hemp and the show ring has never had the chance to ruin the ISDS collie

Fantastic - they have hardly changed at all - although the 1940s one really is

The GSD

1902



1910



1933



1956



1972



1997



2011

Moobli, there are some breeders who are breeding "normal" Roughies (ie dont look like Giant poms) You just have to look for them. Some of them (IMHO) are far too big.

If you look at my Pops, her coat is not much different to the early pics, and she is the correct size for a bitch (she has never weighed more than 18kgs)

Earlies for me...

http://cavalierrecreation.webs.com/

what the heckers happened?

I really have researched and researched and never found a type that I loved enough to own tbh :-( The second dog in your set of collie pics would suit me fine, but I can't find anyone who breeds dogs like that anymore :-(

I think that one is a Yank!

I have to say, I don't think they are a patch on Zak. The really early one doesn't do anything for me.

Helen

Anything on Pointers or Setters?

I found this from around 1919 " A team of pointers and setters"



and here are my lot:

Sid:



Dotty:



Alfie:



I'll dig out some pointer pics but have to go and sort Dusty out.

Helen

I love the first dog but he dosent look like what we think of as a GSD at all - very leggy and square, wish there were dogs like that around - although we would prob have to call them something different than GSD's
I think the 1933 dog would be my fave
I like the 1997 dogs face the best

and yup I still see dogs who look like Old border collies out in the fields
Interesting as they are not being bred to standards but on ability and they manage to keep the look when some of the show dogs change so much over the years
(and please please please dont let our show border collies start looking like the American ones - ewww)

Thank you I love Zak's type and look too. In fact, I can see me having dark sable workline types from now on

The setters and pointers don't look to have changed much at all - esp when compared to the working types today. I LOVE that photo of Dotty - just gorgeous

As Pam said on the other thread about GSDs, the first dog was really a mix of various herding dogs at the time, so wasn't actually a blueprint GSD.

Here are some other working collies from the past and there are many that still look just like this today

1907



1930



1965 - the famous Wiston Cap (who lived on a farm just up the road from me )

Here are my pointer photos:

Goldy, who is no longer with us:



Her daughter, Lucky who is well into her retirement:



and Milly, who is no longer with us:



Again, not vastly different to the old pointers.

Helen

I haven't got any photos to illustrate but Kerry Blues have changed an awful lot from the all-purpose farm dog they were first used for to the elaborately-coiffeured dog of the show ring!

I doubt the original owners would recognise today's example as the same breed! All that beautifully brushed and trimmed coat would not be practical in a working dog on the farm.

Saying that Cherry had working ability as the first behaviourist we had said she would have been a really good working dog and Parker had a Kennel Club Good Citizen judge say he was a "nice working dog" so they can still have the ability even though they are more beautiful now in my opinion!

I managed to find this online which says 1916:



Really loving this thread.

Helen

I thought some people would like this thread, I enjoy seeing how they've developed, we're always talking about how the changes have brought about the health issue, but we've never done one of these before - I don't think (and I'm rubbish at finding old photos)