Stud potential ? Discussions

I seem to remember a Springer Spaniel one going a similar way because I kind of stuck two fingers up to breed standards.

I was annoyed at people saying certain Springers were too small or too short legged etc when in fact these were the characteristics of Springers that have evolved through real 'working' selection to have the correct attributes to do their job.

Yes it is a shame out its turned out, it was going well.

We should have a "critique my dog" thread, like we do in photography!

That's - not a bad idea ;-)

That is a good idea Dawn ;-)

But who would be able to post a critique ?

Anyone, or only those within the breed, or that have Judged the breed, or know the breed ?

i agree it is sad how this thread has turned out,but she asked for opinions,so i think that entitles everyone to have there say on her dog if they wish.the northern inuit society is well established and well respected by the n.i people,there has been three break away groups ones struggling to suvive,another is one person really breeding pups by the lorrie load,and the other one is failing misrably.were not unplesant people in the society and we make everyone welcome on are forum and at are shows and events.

I appreciate that goes on in Mals too as it goes on in all our breeds, but it seems most of the arguing here is because the breed itself is hugely based on opinion of what an NI should be/look like and not what is on paper, whereas at least in KC breeds you can quote from the breed standard and that is it. All standards are percieved differently by different people, that is obvious but as it has already been said, the NI standard is too vague at the minute and I think this is where most of the arguments are arising, as people's opinions differ and the breed is wholy based on opinions for the time being.

That's a great idea Dawn!

Maybe ANYONE could be free to post a critique to the best of their knowlegde.

Who'd dare to go first ?

(with a dog I mean not a crit)

I personally have met a few NI people out and about at shows and such and every single one had been very nice friendly and a bit chuffed when I knew it was an NI. I just feel sad that most of the NI threads go this way Julie as it certainly doesn't do the breed any favours and it must be disheartening for those who are in it for the good of the future of the breed.

This is true Phil and this is my point, as much as I myself prefer many of the working lines to the show lines today, the standard is what the standard is, and if you have opinions that conflict the standard, you have to expect to be throughly questioned and quoted the standard if you wish to breed a dog that isn't what standard calls for, even if sometimes it does actually produce a healthier litter.

Of course it would have, if she had asked the same question, people will give the same opinions.
And people, dont kid yourselves that bitching doesnt happen in the pedigree world, I have stood round many a show ring and heard the bitching and backstabbing, its a fact of life.

I thought you'd already done mine

I agree.

The standard as it is, is so very vague, so most of the points can be interpretated any way they see fit, unlike KC standards which can be interpretated differently, but roughly the same, if that makes sense. However saying that, you certainly know it when a Judge is 'face fitting' instead of dog judging ;-)

I think the fact that so much contraversy surrounds this breed and will never be accepted by some, will cause it problems too.

Good idea, but it will still get negative comments by others.
Or your'll get i have been in the breed longer etc.

I have no idea of the NI standards that have been created, but as long as you love him for what he is a happy healthy dog, then the standards or breeding doesn't matter. Love him for what he is, your lovely boy.

Julie i can understand what your saying, there is always going to be different opinion on what is breed qty in any breed. But to see the in fighting regarding the breed as an outsider isn't pretty.

I just wish all NI owners could agree to disagree for the sake of their own breed, cause it puts the breed and the dogs in bad light, i am sure none of you deep down want that for the breed as a whole.

I don't think breeding was even mentioned - it's the assumption that deviations from the breed standard are faults in the breed.

Many people who breed Spaniels for work will quite deliberately avoid dogs that are more akin to the standard as the standard relates more to showing.

If the breed standard better reflected the attributes prefered for those that work (what after all are gundogs) then the breed wouldn't (working and show) be pulled in different directions and perhaps the show Springer would sit more comfortably in the 'Gundog' group.

Ooh - better stop before I go off on one LOL

I know what you mean and that's what i'm trying to say. It is bad enough in breeds with a solid standard so it is bound to be worse in the NI for that very reason. There will always be controversy as there is in every single breed there is out there! It's just part and parcel of the dog world!

Of course we dont, and I can honestly say i like evryone in the NIS lol

youre right!

Id be happy to go first, Ill post a pic of one of my dogs and anyone feel fre to pull the dog to bits! Honestly I think it can only help people genuinely wanting to judge or breed dogs. Ill go start the thread.

Phil, thanks for your offer, but if it goes sour Im ok about it being my dog, you are second though!!!
Dawn.

I've done at least two of yours already when i judged the terriers.

And I said 'otter' not 'badger' ;-)