Split thread/ Why were NI's in the Working Group? (Comp show)

They are? I can't say I have spent much time looking into these two breeds, however from a quick search I would have said the CWD actually looks a little more like the European Wolf than the Sarloos (though individual dogs do seem to vary in both breeds) - it would all depend though on what traits the original founders of the breeds chose to breed for. The Sarloos in the link Sutty posted don't look terribly wolf like to me

I think one of the main problems with all the breeds bred to look like wolves is the ears - they are all considerably oversized compared to a true wolf (due to their GSD background). Therefore you can really notice they are cross breeds.

so this then would beggar the question 'when does a dog stop being a cross breed', surely after over 20 years of breeding like to like with the N.I and more so with the CWD and sarloos, they cant be classed as cross bred as to my knowledge the former is the result of a mating between 2 seperate breeds of dog

I've never made catty remarks, I've stated facts. If NI owners take them as catty, they have the problem, not me.

I don't have a probem with NI dogs, I have a problem with NI people that try to make out they are something they are not.

They should be grouped as Utility, simple.

As I said before, with regards my Username, what the hell has it got o do with this thread ?? OR YOU ???

i guess it all depends what groups were there,sometimes to comp shows ive been to they only have "working" & "Sporting" classes...........thats enough to confuse anyone!

nothing whatsoever, just thought I'd be as irritating as you for a change, you are definitly blinkered when it comes to this breed and I have yet to see you say anything positive or even nice. Most owners I know are lovely people and as you have only met the second rate crossbreeds that live in your street, I dont see how you can make the comments you so frequently do. You say we shouldnt claim they make excellent pets, but the vast majority do, only a handful have dodgy temperaments, so therefore why slate the whole breed, there are bad apples in every breed. As for what classes we enter here in Ireland, we enter what is available to us at each individual show, we consult with the organisers before entering and neither they or the other competitors have a problem, at the end of the day, its a fun day out, it gets our dogs a little more socialised and they enjoy it, most shows finish in september so then we have all of autumn, winter and most of spring without a show, so why not make the most of them.

Have you seen this thread?
http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=42332

I guess only time will tell where they are eventually grouped.

Can the breeders influence where a breed is grouped at all; I mean by stating a preference?

Sorry I probably didn't explain myself terribly well. The idea of people creating these breeds was to create a dog with minimal/no wolf content but that looked like a wolf. However all the breeds (as they all have GSD's in their pedigrees) have abnormally large ears that you wouldn't see on a true wolf - hence the fact they don't, on the whole, look terribly much like wolves to me (with the obvious exception of some, as the size of ears is a genetic trait). You can see they have at some point in their life been crossed with a GSD - that was what I meant.

Both the Sarloos and the CWD are FCI recognised breeds so I guess they must breed true to type.

Thanks - will have a read of that later

Can we keep the personal remarks/attacks out please.

As in all walks of life you will get people pro and against things, that's just life.

If things start to get out of hand in threads and become personal, the person who made the first personal remark will be the one getting the infraction - so don't even go there! Just discuss the topic at hand.

Also, an idea for the NI people who feel they want somewhere to post without all the external questions - why not get 25 people together and get a Member Group started? People can't post in an adverse manner in those sections...

You're welcome and here's a Sarloos one:
http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=42333

really dont know why people are getting upset here,greyhark is correct in saying the kc will probably class northern inuits as utility,this dose not mean they cant work,correct me if im wrong but arnt poodles in this group????imo one of the most intelligent workable breeds there is.as for the shows in ireland as jane has explained there run under compleatly different rules to how are companion shows over here are run,thats why she enters under different groups.no need for any more arguing or anyone to get upset.

I completely agree.

Just for the record I'm at the moment filling out an entry form for a show in a few weeks time and we have entered "Any dog other than specific class shown" I'm sure nobody can disagree with that

The KC official line is that none KC registered breeds should not be entered in the "pedigree" classes as a COMPANION show is held under KC rules.

I heard this information from the KC after a complaint was made about a "Labradoodle" being placed in a sporting class at a companion show.

This info was correct as of the end of last Summer.

I was neither the complainant nor the judge, just happened to be around when it all "kicked off" ...... the person making the most fuss would not have stood a chance of winning anything had she been the only person in the class as her attitude towards her dog was horrible

This relates only to KC Companion shows - I have no clue at all about shows in Ireland although would like to attend one some day

Where are the pics - I can't find them anywhere!! I want to see - did someone mention agility .....

The pics are here

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=67787

I'm not disputing what happens in a KC companion show. I have never been to one. The agricultural shows in Ireland are open to any dog of any breed or x breed. There are no dogs that are not allowed to attend at all.

Oh I knew you weren't

Just some seemed unclear so I was clarifying what happens here - although did aim to make it clear that I was talking about UK companion shows

Are other animals involved at agricultural shows? (Obviously not in the dog bit) - they sound like our county shows which I love as they always have the BEST ice cream!!!!!

Would that put the Sarloos into the Pastoral group then considering that they started being half GSD? :?

All this grouping stuff is giving me brain fry

Now you're talking girl ;-)

The OP is referring to IRISH rules, not KC. Therefore, I assume, the Kennel club shouldn't have any bearing on this whatsoever.

Again, lets enjoy abbie's dog's achievements and leave the politics out of it ;-)

Nope - in the UK they would be classed a a wild animal

Seriously though, the first Sarloos wasn't actually 50% GSD and 50% Wolf. Their ancestors were, however the offspring from this mating were then bred back to a GSD (so F2 would be 75% GSD and 25% wolf). F3 would then be 87.5% GSD and 12.5% Wolf. It would depend on how many generations it took them to develop the dog they now call the Sarloos Wolfhound and when they stopped introducing GSD blood.

touche my friend

Thanks for explaining that Greyhawk

Yes the agricultural shows have classes for horses, dogs, cats, ducks, sheep, cows, baking, crafts, farms produce, lots of trade stands etc etc. Their well attended and a great day out. I'd say they are exactly like the UK's county shows.