Split thread/ Why were NI's in the Working Group? (Comp show)

No unfortunatly :-( My sister lives in Texas so the temperatures are too hot. The Sibe had kidney problems so I doubt he would of been any good anyway.

Kodiak (the Mal) is just a buffoon He makes a great job of pulling my sister along, but stick anything else on him to pull and he sits down and looks at you as much to say 'pull it yourself'

ROFL This is my girls attitude to fetch - you threw it so you can get it

Sorry to hear about their Sibe

He had a very full and 'entertaining' life. He was my sisters second dog when she moved to Texas. Unfortunatly he had the kidney problems when she got him :-(

And what, exactly, has this got to do with this thread may I ask ????

I took offence at being insulted.

Of course you will see that maladie, is a different spelling so doesn't apply does it ?

Are you saying I'm a disease or in bad condition or a condition that needs to be removed ? as that is EXACTLY what you're implying.

My username is Malady which simply means Mal lady, although when I joined, the M'Lady thing didn't even occur to me.

So, WHAT exactly are you saying ? and what business is it of yours what my damned username is ??

If the FCI take only ancestors into account when grouping, which group is a Boston Terrier in and all the others that originated from other breeds ??

FCI dosn't group with the same procedure as the KC either, so irrelevant anyway !

As I said before, just because a breed 'can' do a job it wasnt bred for, doesn't mean it could then choose the group it wants to be in.

So how is a 'group' decided then? For the NI you have three main breeds. Which do you take as the main player?

For the Czech wolfdog it seems very weird if they are classed as the GSD if their ancestors are also the wolf. How do you class a wolf?

Sorry I have no idea about boston terriers.

I can't see why you think it is irrelevant though that the FCI doesn't group the same as the KC as the whole point of this thread was an NI in the working group in an agricultural show in Ireland, nothing to do with the KC.

The IKC has recently moved over to the FCI groups and therefore working group is not in existance in their shows.

Point is why argue over something you know nothing about? Have you ever been to an agricultural show in Ireland? If not then I advise you to go to one before you knock the way they work and group the dogs. If you have then tell the organisers about the points your unhappy about and not the exibitors.

Sorry way OT but Abbie where are you in Ireland and how many NIs have you come across there? My interest is I am from Limerick .

Were in Co Galway. The only NI's I know of are our own and Suttys at the moment. Sutty lives very close to us. We see each other alot and meet up at the shows. Limerick is probably about 1 1/2 hours from us. If your ever over here let us know

I would love to meet up with you both - my parents have a place in Kilrush - sort of near you but a bit South? :?

If we get the courage to take Loki over I will let you know!!! You two are doing brilliantly with your dogs over there.

Yes I know Kilrush. Not too far away. I'm sure I answer for Sue aswell saying we'd love to meet you and Loki.

Thank you!

Woohoo, well that got a rise out of you didnt it, and btw I havent got the spelling wrong, check your dictionary, so dont try and be clever with me. Also as the dictionary states, malady is also a pyschological disorder, it seems to me that you have a pyschological hatred for anything Northern Inuit, so perhaps yo are feeling exactly how you make most N.I owners feel with your catty remarks and condescending nature

OOOOOo LS would love to meet up with you and the glorious Loki sometime

Not totally irrelevant since the OP is in Ireland and they are now part of the FCI

No idea I assume it might be done on percentage? Even though there were three main breeeds in their genetic makeup (though the others would need to be considered too!) how were they split? You would need a detailed history of the founding dogs to work that one out For example, a GSD bred to a Mal, then the offspring crossed with a Sibe, then the offspring of that crossed with a GSD etc. You could possibly be able to work out the percentages all the way down to when new blood stopped being added (if it has?). It seems like a huge job though! I would assume the Sarloos/CWD were for the most part GSD with only a minor part being wolf?

This is assuming they go on the founding breeds like the FCI seem to - the KC appear to go by the job they were bred for, in the NI's case this was a companion, so they would be in Utility.

Im not sure of the percentage of wolf in the sarloos, but in the CWD it was supposedly 25% wolf and 75% GSD

Ah thanks, I have had a quick look on the internet and can't find the % of the Sarloos either. The nice thing about the CWD is that their detailed history can be read, including exactly what dogs were bred with whom, so there is no mystery surrounding their origins. It seems a bit harder to find information about the Sarloos.

hope im allowed to put this link here, it still doesnt give any percentages though
http://www.inetdesign.com/wolfdunn/breeds/saarloos.html

Thanks for the link Can't see why you wouldn't be allowed to put it up, makes for interesting reading. So it seems the Wolf content in the Sarloos came solely from one wolf and the offspring from the GSD and the European Wolf were all bred back to GSD's. Therefore I would think they had fairly minimal Wolf Content. The CWD actually goes back to 3 different wolves.

intresting that,as the saloos is far more wolflike in looks and behaviour,were as the cwd is more of a working dog