Selling Staffies online - do they never learn Discussions

but isn't that the point?

WHY could you be so lucky and could find your puppy in your local rescue?

if there wont be such kind of "breeders", there wouldn't have to be those puppies in the rescue :-(

lucky your one and lucky you

but how many pups / dogs doesn't find their luck in a home of a loving and caring person?

Hi I dont understand,why are you against dog charities,without them we would be in the same situaton as other places in Europe,dogs running around in packs,breeding,carrying germs.It really bothers me that someone who professes to care about dogs and there welfare,has such a downer on Animal Welfare.I feel we are so lucky to have people like the RSPCA,PDSA,DOGSTRUST and BATTERSEA, who mop up after people,who think dogs are consumables.crystalgirl

Not speaking for leadstaffs, but I think her disdain is not for dog charities per se, but namely the RSPCA.... if you do a search on the RPSCA on this board, you will see they have little respect from many members.

Jackbox is correct.
I have no problem with animal welfare organisations or charities and actively supporty Dogs trust and local independant charities. Battersea I have no problems with but in my opinion the RSPCA is no longer an animal welfare charity but an animal rights organisation who are politically motivated by an agenda I don't agree with.

Just to add I disagree with anything that is breed specific so if its bad for a litter of Staffords then it is bad for a litter of any breed.

I posted this sometime ago. Sad to say that there was a rant between two people on the book of the face today when a guy posted a photograph of the girl that was selling these puppies and headed his post "do not buy puppies from this woman they are sick" he then described that he had had to take his sick puppy to a vet who told him there were multiple problems with the puppy and he recommended putting it down.

How very sad.

She responded in terrifying terms.

Oh no Baxter how sad, poor little pups It is bad enough breeding them when the situation is dire for the breed, but to breed any puppy so poorly is a disgrace, only thoughts there were for money, I hope it costs her a ton of money to get the litter back to health or pts so it teaches her a lesson, feel so bad for the pups though, I doubt she will do the right thing by them, and will rely on us animal lovers to buy them to put them out of their suffering or try to help, so sad

Isn't it sad. Terribly sad. The guy that posted was really upset about it.

She had managed to sell the entire litter and I doubt she'll be offering refunds.

I wonder what state of health the poor mother staffie is.

It was reported that the owner of the dogs that killed the teenager, Jade, was previously breeding and selling Staffy puppies on Bookface.

I don't have serious issues with 'advertising' - many decades ago the Exchange & Mart had an advert section for Pedigree dogs. And you'd see ads placed saying when they'd be ready for viewing etc.

I do have issues with WHERE they advertise - eBay has a no live animals policy. So do other reputable ecommerce sites. I don't like to see puppies for sale on bookface, Gumtree or other social networking sites.

But having said that - a hell of a lot of mistreated and unwanted dogs here in Cyprus find new homes via the Rescue Pages on bookface.

Did you ask whether they had all the health tests done?
Or whether they were kennel club registered?

For all you know, they could have been bred from perfect examples of the breed temperament and conformation wise.
Unless you know for definite that this person is breeding irresponsibly with no concern for the animals health or welfare you have no right to be so rude!!

Yes they are a lot of staffies in rescue.
But let's be honest, are they all going to be fantastic, biddable, friendly, trouble free companions?
I think not!

A large number will be there because they were badly bred and have poor temperaments.
A lot because they were poorly socialised and aggressive to other dogs/children/etc as a result.
Some will be untrained and unruly.
Some will have potentially dangerous issues like food aggression.
Some will be full of bad habits and will take a lot of work to rectify
Some will be there because of medical issues.
And a few, will be there because their owner died, moved house etc through no fault of their own and are very nice, balanced individuals.

Maybe people don't want an adult dog with issues that they will have to work with.
Maybe people don't want a dog whose history is entirely unknown given owners will lie to get their dog a rescue

It's lovely to give a rescue dog a home but not everyone wants one, some people want a puppy and if that puppy has been bred responsibly I see no reason why the shouldnt be able to.

And as for this home check, criteria stuff.
Not all rescues will do that.
I can remember my first rescue dog. A retriever, excellent with children and fully trained they said.
Wanted to kill every child it met, utterly unresponsive to commands and extreme
Resource guarding more like.
The rescue were shocked and thought we were lying when we took him back!

At the other extreme, If Penelope's breeder had been like the rescues your describing we probably wouldn't have been allowed her.
Small 2 bed house, 4 year old, not excessively energetic family, first ever dog.
But she's perfect for us.

Not all people breeding puppies are the scum of the earth and rescues aren't necessarily saints.

Are you for real?

Have you read my update?

Why wouldnt i be...?

I stand by everything i said, a lot of rescues do have issues that people might not want to work with, a lot of people are uncomfortable with the fact its unknown history, some people want a puppy and there shouldnt be an issue with that.

the story about the retriever is true too.

Some rescues don't do all the home checks you said.

And a rescue probably wouldn't have given us a border collie for the reasons I described even though she's perfect for us.

No, the first page.
Do you read absolutely every post before making a comment?
There was 8 pages to get through!

Laura, I agree people do want pups, and they should be the best pairings of health tested dogs, the people described by Baxter are churning out poorly bred pups for money, that is wrong, also the preloved sites are rammed with pups for sale of this breed, it is not people breeding to keep the breed going, it is greedy money grabbing morons a lot of the time

And also to add, The ones who lose out in this are the puppies bought on a whim (if they are healthy enough) and discarded before they turn 1 because they need exercise, time and food god forbid.....

I don't agree with irresponsible breeding at all.
But there was nothing I could see in the first post suggesting they were breeding irresponsibly, hence my comments.
Of course, if you know they are, that's a little different.

You do occasionally get good breeders posting on online sites too who do health test etc although a lot of bad aswell.

thank you zoeyvonne - I truly couldn't be bothered to answer her! Hard day - hard week!

It's the monotony of seeing page after page of pups that at least 50% of (being generous) will be in rescue or dead by their first birthday, it is needless wreckless and down right immoral in my opinion. Yes it is easy to jump to conclusions, but those 'good' breeders will also have pride in the fact that their pups are tested and healthy they will advertise them as such.

May I suggest you go back and read post #66. It's always better to arm yourself with the facts.

to be completely blunt, the girl had tatoos and a croydon facelift and a fag hanging out of her mouth - and could only communicate in textspeak unless she was swearing.

Let us not tell any lies here. This world will NOT run out of dogs, whether soon... or in the very distant future, or probably even ever. Every single dog owner on earth cold have their dogs altered, and the shelters, strays etc. would still ensure dogs didn't wear thin for a longgggg time.

Last thing this world needs is MORE pet dogs. Not really sure why lovers of certain breeds feel the need to breed. How about educating people on the breed, advocating people rescue ones in need from breed rescues, promoting spay/neuter to help reduce pet populations.

Also, while some "rarer" breeds might disappear if more dogs were altered (and?), many other pure bred or pedigreed dogs would have an abundant amount still on the earth.

They are wandering the roads, stuck in normal or kill shelters, poor homes, or placed into breed rescues. Many pure bred dogs have no homes and no place to go.

Giving a person a contract saying they have to give the dog back should they not want it, doesn't ensure it happens. If they don't? What are you going to do? Sue them? Give me a break!!

You'd think if someone spent a lot of money on a dog, that they could at least treat it well, but this isn't the case at all. Pure bred dogs are often just as poorly cared for as mixed breed dogs.

As for breeding to "keep the breed going" I could understand that if there weren't breed rescues and shelters crammed with pure bred dogs or half and half dogs as a result of incompetent pure bred (intact) dog owners. I can also understand that with extremely uncommon breeds.

There is NO reason at all to breed common breeds IMO. There really isn't. Rotts, Boxers, Labs for example... these dogs are very common and you'd not be breeding "to keep the breed going" you'd simply be breeding "to keep your line going" or to "keep your money flowing" which isn't the same thing.

Some breeds, such as the English Bulldog, Pug, American Bully... often cannot conceive and breed on their own. If dogs cannot do it naturally, that should be a clear sign something is seriously wrong.

Since Bulldog puppies cost upwards of $2500 - $3000 (often C - section for mom, and tons of health tests due to being the one of the most unhealthy breeds on earth) it's even worse....

Perfectly said.

I feel differently about staffie pups being sold casually on social networking sites by certain types of people out to make some money. Especially when some weeks later the person is publicly named and shamed by one of the buyers on account of their puppy being sick and having to be pts.

There are 000s of staffies on death row in this country as the time for rehoming has run out - why not put the time and effort into one of these, it may not be so oh so cutsie wootsie but is very rewarding in itself.

I'm not sure about the US (but I suspect it is the same) these staffie pups invariably go to the wrong home and within a year or so end up in rescue anyway, I'm not sure of the statistics but a huge number get rid of their dog once it's grown out of the oh so cutsie wootsie phase, sexually matures and becomes an all-round damn nuisance.

I'm banging my head against a brick wall and upsetting myself over something that I just can't do anything about. Staffie pups are a regular feature on the for sale boards of f@ce bo0k and others - just hand over the money and you get the dog, no home check, no health check, no advice - just money in exchange for the dog.

I've challenged these people and in return am subjected to a barrage of abuse - says it all really.

Incidentally I've noticed a lot of huskies and malamutes are also beginning to appear on an alarming basis and I was told yesterday are beginning to fill rescue centres.