Questions (What are Northern Inuits like as pets) Questions

You are missing the point.

I never mentioned about the dogs having "High" scores !

I simply asked if the dogs were hip scored, and they are.

You seem to think that a low score means they do not have any health issues with regards to HD !

ANY score means a degree of HD, obviously the lower the better and only low ones should be bred from.

This is the kind of conversation that makes it seem as though people are hiding something.

THe OP asked for any known health issues.

HD IS one of them, and the reason for hip scoring, but instead you have skirted around the issue and made out as if it's not in the breed itself, but only in the originating breeds !

The question could have easily been answered by saying "Yes HD is in the breed, but make sure youbuy from a breeder that hip scores and only uses low scoring dogs" !

Just my opinion, but the way you have answered and diverted seems very cloak and dagger, and I am not digging at the breed in any way, I just don't see the point in trying to be elusive with the facts :smt001

Actually I thought I was being open and honest. I am not an expert in dog health etc I can just tell you my experiences in the three years or so I have been involved in the breed, I was trying to be helpful.

Apologies.

Malady I am certain werewolf is not being elusive with facts. We have both been trying to answer questions the best we can. I do believe there is no breed that has a nil average hip score but do correct me if I am wrong.

There are dogs within breeds that have had 0/0 scores.

You both know that NIs are hip scored and thefore that HD is in the breed, yet when the question was asked you both answered, there were no health issues within the breed that you were aware of !

So it stands to reason that it may be taken as not being totally open about the health issues within NIs.

HD is a serious health issue, hence hip scoring is done.

HD HAS been attributed, hence NI's having scores above 0/0 !

I can also look back on threads on this board alone and find info on a dog that has had fits (again a very serious issue), so to say you know of nothing serious, is not strictly true.

What is the percentage of dogs that have a nil Hip score?

I have no idea, you would probably need to consult the BVA for any stats.

Not that it makes any difference. Most people looking into a first dog wouldnt know anything about HD or hip scoring, so would just want some basic knowledge.

Malady. I hope you realise that neither myself nor werewolf have ever bred our dogs nor have any plans to. We do not know everything. What we have done is try to answer questions. If you want to take this as us not being totally open then so be it but it is not the case.

I did not see a thread about an NI having fits although would be interested to see this thread.

I would like to point something out here if I may? When Abbie and I were refering to HD we were looking at it just as the following article does (hope it is ok to put it here? if not mods sorry please remove it)

http://www.easysource.com/synflex/syn_ce07.htm

this article clearly indicates that C/HD is a problem when it is causing pain etc to a dog. If I took my NID or cat in to the vets and had a hip score which was low and my dog was not in pain, that to me would mean that my dog/cat was fine. Lets face it according to what has been said by Malady any person with a dog (of any breed) could have a dog with HD and never know because the symptoms aren't present, therefore if asked they would say that their dog didn't have HD.

It has nothing to do with you personally breeding or not !

The OP asked what were the health issues in the breed.

You both replied none, when you both know that HD is in the breed

To any newbie reading your replies (first saying no health problems, then admitting to knowledge of hip scoring and HD) it would seem that you were avoiding talking about it, that's all I'm saying.

And that's my point. I know of a dog with an extraordinarily high hipscore, yet if you met him for a few hours, you too wouldnt know that he had serious HD. It doesn't always present itself the same way.

This is the reason that people should only buy from low scoring dogs, so that you eliminate all possibilities of a dog with a serious form of HD.

Either way, if no-one mentions what a breed suffers with, people will go away thinking the breed is perfectly healthy and none the wiser.

Personally and on offence is intended here but I get the impression that there is some hostility here. Your interpretation of HD and mine are obviously two different things and having just read up on HD I still believe my interpretation is accurate so I still stand by what I have said and I am sure Abbie stands by what she has said also. I am no longer going to post on this thread as the person who was originally asking the questions is no longer posting and I believe if she wants anymore info she will ask for it.

Actually Malady I did not realise that having a breed hip scored meant that hip displacia was something that was to be avoided talking about nor a major problem in a breed.

I did think that having a breed (especially a newly established breed like the NI) hip scored was a responsible thing to be done by breeders to ensure that it did not become a problem in the future.

That's right.

So when someone enquires about a newly established breed and asked about any health issues, wouldnt the responsible thing to do, be to educate them on what tests are done because HD is in the breed ?

If you are saying that Hip scoring is only done to make sure it's not a future problem, then why isn't every other canine health test done on them too ?

Hip scoring is done because there IS HD in the breed and when the OP asked, it should have been made clear to them what issues there were with NIs.

I'm not being hostile at all, I'm simply stating facts. I have no reason to be hostile werewolf ! I have nothing to lose or gain by my posts

Because we did the responsible thing and answered.

I do not know what tests are routinely done as I do not breed my dogs. If you read my first post it stated "to the best of my knowledge" and that is what it was.

Yes there are some bad breeders in the breed and what I know of it sickens me. I'm sure there are in all breeds.

What really does annoy all us NI owners is that no other owner of any breed that I have seen has to stick up for their dogs like we do.

If someone is interested in a breed then good but why all the questions. I did see the OP was also interested in Mals. Lovely dogs in my opinion but they haven't had all negative comments have they?

No beacuse when the OP asked about Mals she was immediately told about their health issues, what tests are done, what breed traits they have (good and bad) etc and it was a case of warts and all in the response.

Yes you said "to the best of your knowledge" and you say you dont know all the health tests done, But you DID know that hip scoring was done, hence you DID know about HD, yet you chose to say that there were no health issues in the breed.

We are going round in circles, so here is where I bow out.

Newbies can make up their own mind about the contradictory statements made on this thread, it speaks for itself, which is a shame, again it drives people away.

LOL

I think you'll find that that's an American kennel, and some of the health issues listed aren't an issue here in the UK and therefore misleading. If you want to start a 'tit for tat' at least use a link which is appropriate for UK dogs !

The OP has already been given links, info and contacts for the health side of things from other Mal owners

Do ethical breeders of ANY pedigree breed NOT hip score the dogs intended for breeding?

Or is it standard ethical practice.

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