Questions (What are Northern Inuits like as pets) Questions

The "new blood" bit introduced into Bloodhounds recently, caused uproar within the KC breeder circles when they used a "Pack" Bloodhound, personally I dont think it did any harm, but I guess you will meet strong opposition from genuine breeders of pedigree dogs and asking to use them on a non registered breed or type.

Yes and I never understood why they went so loopy because they weren't forced to use this newly registered dog, same as in the bob tail Boxers, it isn't compulsory to use any lines! Same applies with the 'wrong coloured' poodles :smt002
Becky

Nope, not the same, black and tan Bloodhounds are perfectly acceptable in this country and exhibited freely as they are of standard colour, the history of the pack Hound will most probably stretch further than the KC lot anyway, so i dont see the comparison? Black and tan Poodles are NOT accepted in this country, so IMO should NOT be bred to introduce unaccepted, non standard colours. Anyhow, this is not poodles or even Bloodhounds really!

Cheyanne.
Do you think soft/floppy ears are also a problem in the NI? There seem to be a fair few like it, I mean a reasonable amount given the number of dogs?

No my point was that no-one is forcing anyone to use lines they don't want to. The bloodhound people don't have to use this new dog, the Boxer people don't have to use bob tail Boxers in their lines and Poodle people don't have to use my lines. Simple!
Becky

But Bobtail Boxers and the "new" Bloodhound are all acceptable, black and tan Poodles are not, thats where the comparison stops! I understand the point you are trying to make though, I agree nobody is forced to do anything they dont want to do.

except that they aren't, they were accepted by the KC but not by all breeders, same applies to my poodles, they are registerable by the KC. They do not contain blood from other breeds such as the bob-tail Boxer or as implied the bloodhound is impure but they are all perfectly acceptable by the KC so they are all the same!
Anyway this is an NI thread so back on track.
Becky

Yes I do, this is one of a number of things we are aiming to improve upon, but it all takes time

We currently have someone writing a breed standerd that we can aim for, and then a strict breeding program can be put into place.

You say you are going to insist on DNA testing do you mean profiling? Presumeably then all breeding stock, if not all dogs, ned to be permenantly identified as well?
Becky

Time for some truth and honesty from TIDA members. I wish.

My opinion of the reason TIDA are intending to bring in other breeds is due to the very low number of breeders willing to allow them to use their genuine NI's.

I think it is disgraceful. Several months ago they were considering registering an accidental litter of husky/NI to bring into their breeding program. There was also a stray husky found on the side of a motorway and their chairperson's own words were "pity I didn't have anything in season". Is this responsible?

The chairpersons stud dog was a rescue dog. Used at stud by her. Then hipscored. Score came back high. Dog again used at stud and then passed around from home to home before being PTS. Is this responsible?

I personally know of one NI that has fits. I was told by the chairperson that this was caused by the use of frontline and was not a genetic problem.

The dogs dying young. I don't know about the others but one poor dog that did die young belongs to a member on dogsey and I am sure she will be willing to give the details of his sad death. It was NOT addisons disease or any other hereditory condition.

TIDA have from the start used other breeds for breeding and therefore not all their dogs are genuine northern inuit dogs One dog at least advertised on their stud dog page is a utonagan. I have copies of 5 different pedigrees for this dog made up by TIDA. Some of these show the dogs grandfather as being several years younger than the dog itself!

I was also given many different pedigrees for my own dog as I kept pointing out discrepancies in it.

These are just several examples of the reasons why so many people are disgusted by TIDA and what they are doing.

You just can't help bickering amongst yourselves, no wonder NI threads get locked, it was going so well as well
Becky

It was wasn't it :-(

Yes. We believe it is important as with other breeds that peds can be proven without a dout

What a bunch of baloney, and you are all so gullible as to fall for it, I thought you had more sense. Ok if its truths you want here are some for ya, firstly, Cheyenne and Janie are both committee members of tida and, as their chairperson is banned from here, are in effect giving you her views, both are pet owners, have been in the breed for around a year, both have 'foster' dogs from the chairperson as she couldnt sell all four litters of pups she had in very quick succesion in the space of a few months, at least 3 of these litters were sired, as Abbie said, by a resuce dog that wasnt hipcrored un til after he had been used, the poor dog then went on to be homed at least 3 more times before being put to sleep, oh an btw, he wasnt neutered before being rehomed. Has she bred any males from echo that have testicles? I remember her selling a monorchid dog as a potential stud, knowing full well he only had one.
Your code of ethics is ours, you just changed a few words here and there, same with you original database, stolen from us, need I go on.
Northern Inuit dogs were being health tested well before 2006, we made it a rule because there were more and more people becoming interested in the breed and we wanted responsible people only to breed, this year is the first time your chairperson has hipscored and only because she had some spare loot because of all the bloody pups she has been churning out.

OK, this is coming from a totally layman's view, one who knows nothing about the NI/Inuit Dog..........

First can I ask, "what was /is the purpose of this breed, what was behind the making of it?

From what I am reading on here, and truthfully , from all other threads on this breed, is...

You are never going to establish a "breed " whilst you are bickering between your selves, how do you hope to establish a breed, when you have so many break away groups, all disagreeing and fighting amongst your selves.

From what I can see , you are all passionate about the NI, so until you come together and work to unify the breed, sadly the breed will never gain states:-(

I read , I think somewhere on this thread, re-introducing the GSD back into it.......why:? surely the breed should now be well on its way to " type", by bringing a breed back into it, will only set it back to being a X breed once again...

I am not trying to nit pick, just generally interested....

Its sad to see so many arguing over the same dog/breed, when you should all be pulling together to gain the status you are after.

What may I ask does it might if Jane and myself are on the committee? My veiws are my own. I am a breeder as well as a pet owner, ok I have yet to produce a litter from my bitches as I am just starting out, two are too young and one had pups not so long a go therefor it is too soon to breed her. I do have dogs that have been bred from our chairperson, but neither of them are foster dogs.

I totaly agree with you

The gene pool is very shallow and there are some health issues, new blood is needed to expand the gene pool and to improve the health of the breed.

With all due respect and I wasn't going to bring this up on here like this but I shall now as you have resorted to manipulating the truth. I know for a fact as you do Cheyenne that one of your so called breeders (high ranking in the committee might I also add) scored their stud dog after he had sired litters, found he had an exceptionally high score even higher than the said '19' and this person continued to use him.

Why come on here making out you are perfect and have the good of the dogs to heart? Your new bitch whom you 'rehomed' had a litter at a young age before being hip scored did she not? Indeed she did. Ok she is scored now but what if her score had been high? What about those puppies? Not to mention that the sire was the said high scored male. Not so perfect now are we! Oh and the curly tail...... a fault, indeed yes.....

Did I mention that the said stud dog was a rescue, very erhical I think not. See it just gets worse and worse when it comes to your chosen club.

And shallow gene pool of course TIDA has a shallow gene pool! TIDA has hardly any breeders, don't be fooled by the website actually how many of those people are really breeders......This is not hearsay or spam it is on the website for anyone to see and contact those people to find out.