Question for Tida, different pedigree's Controversial

Here is what you said:

i expect breeders and owners get in touch with new information... but as i am not on the committee or have seen the database... i can only comment on what i am told by the registration officer.

You were using not being on the committee as a reason for not being able to back up your claims that tida do not make up pedigrees.

As you were a tida committee member for some time and until only recently you should have known what was going on.

Of course it could be that you were a committee member who was not involved in the running of tida, and there in name only, resulting in giving a proxy vote to the chairperson as has happened in the past?

Yes it looks like that once you save the pic and open it to zoom in. If you also look at the pedigree for my boy in the first post you will see the same thing (father to daughter matings) which is why I'm querying it. The pedigree for the Dam on the related dogs pedigree is different to what I have.
The pedigree on my boy makes him look to be very inbred.

Yes that must be wrong? Mahlek Nanook, mated to his daughter, and then mated to a daughter from that litter too, ie his grand-daughter.

Thats what I'm hoping. I'm surprised no-one had noticed it when I posted the pic of his pedigree. If his turns out to be the correct one then I'm glad he has faults and has been neutered.

Yeah, I did mean to mention yours too but got caught up with trying to decipher the other one in question. Sorry about that

Hopefully someone will sort out which is correct soon. Either they have lied to cover up the amount of inbreeding going on so changed the pedigree, or I guess it could be a simple typing error. Doesn't look likely though, what with the other errors coming to light.

Sorry PrincessPooch, I didnt mean you in particular A fair few have replied on the thread but not commented on the inbreeding aspect. I was just surprised nobody had picked up on it.

JK is posting out info and pics to me on Monday so hopefully I will have a starting point to be able to dig a bit deeper.
I joined TIDA since they had stated that the Pedigree databse was available to any member and I would also get a copy of my boy's pedigree. The database is NOT available for us to view at all so I was unable to check things out for myself

I will try and post details of what I find out if anything.

I personally believe unless you are there for the mating of the NIs you are buying then you have no idea of parentage. I have had many Pms from people saying THEY KNOW that pedigrees from both NIS and TIDA are made up to cover in-breeding. And with such a small gene pool and so few studs its obvious.
I am shocked and appalled this has been allowed to go on as long as it has its an accident waiting to happen. And it will probably be some poor unsuspecting family who havent read these Dogsey threads that go into owning a NI totally unaware of these issues.

kcjack, those PM's are only hearsay unless they provide proof to back it up so please dont turn this into a major issue since I only want to know the truth about MY dog and his pedigree since it looks like he is very inbred. If you can provide information on his pedigree and that of the related dog then feel free. It is possible that the pedigree I have is wrong.

I understand I would want to know as well, probably in same boat as Katos looks like my a 5 yr old wrote it.

Thank you I will be sure to post whatever I find and also hope that others that have a dog from this same bitch Lady Jane can post what they have on their pedigree for her. Fingers crossed I will get there in the end

I think you`ll find you sat on TIDA`s committee longer than i, my dear and are fully aware of what was going on regarding the false pedigrees within the NIS. I have been involved since your husbands unsuccessful take over of TIDA and subsequent removal from the committee. The only reason i appeared on the show committeeis.. i sold the merchandise through the website. That incidently i had to recreate... when you so very immaturely removed it.. once you and you OH were chucked out.

No sitting on any committee or decision making... other than what T-shirt to supply with what size logo on it. I have heard all the crap with the NIS through the people that originally served on the NIS committee... before deciding enough was enough with their breeding practices etc.. and have attempted to create an association, with better practices in place.

To be honest personally i don`t give a damn about either association... but you, NIS people are such bitchy, backbiting, blatant liars, i just can`t help but lean towards TIDA..

They are my sentiments also :?

Abbie, Janie and kcjack Can you please take your personal problems private since it is not relevant to my thread.

Thanks

elaine...i have said it about 3 times already.. the only person who will know why the pedigrees are different is Carol... as the registration officer. I feel you only brought the subjct to this forum.. to stir up yet more trouble. If you were really that concerned.. you would have posted on the relavent forum or phoned Carol directly.

Janie, I shouldnt have to. I thought she was a member here anyway and that at least I would have replies from both groups to maybe get to the bottom of the truth

It also gives other members that are not involved with either group but may have related dogs the chance to give information.

I don`t see any other breed owner bandying their dogs pedigrees about... they would seek the person who registered the dog... to enquire why they are different. How on earth can anyone else answer why they are?

Here, here. I'm not involved with either group and will type Inca's pedigree out for you and post.

Not only that, but posting on here means both 'sides' or anyone with any knowledge can post. Go to the TIDA you might get totally different info from the NIS?

Apart from the vicarious thrill from having a ring-side seat at a good ruck, I think this thread should be aired as it may affect other owners with similar problems. It would be nice if it were a bit more civilised though.

What on earth has it to do with you where I post? Is that not my perogative being the owner of the dog?

Thank you wishbone I appreciate you wanting to take the time to post your info. Every little bit helps.

Doing things this way gives owners a chance to get involved with helping rather than it being one side against another. Not all owners that have a dog from the same or similar line is involved with either group.

Would of thought it would of been sensible to post on TIDA iniatially then if didnt receive satisfactory answers then come to Dogsey then or post on both at same time so as to get answers of anyone who may have info.
I think by only posting on here and not directly on TIDA it does make it appear more personal.