Perfect stafford - what would your ideal Staffordshire Bull Terrier look like? Discussions

as if!!!!

Aint got a gripe about with KC dogs per say...just people who breed unhealthy animals ...with serious health probs...i'v seen some excellent kc staffs...sadly they wouldnt win anything...somthing i cant get my head round...surely to be the best..they have to be the fittest aswell ?...and be good alround dogs....not just look good..and im sorry but the dogs that win consistently are none of the above...suppose when money comes into it...some folk dont mind changing things to suit

I would agree with you wholeheartedly

and I would agree with this as well

I have only been showing for two years although have owned staffys for the last 17
It is indeed hard to see why certain dogs do well- although you have highlighted some reasons in an earlier posting :wink: and we all know this goes on- in any breed . Unfortunately some people are easily swayed

Maybe we need more fresh blood involved but experience still counts for a lot and if the new blood and the experienced could sit and agree ( and some do) then it will be better for the breed

LEL...iv bin involved with dogs for......naw that cant be right...i dont feel that old !....i judge myslef very fortunate in as much as iv seen both sides of the coin....and hand on heart health and fitness wins it hands down everytime...i dont care if the dog is 19in and 44lbs fit...or 15in and 26lbs...iv owned both....as long as dogs are genetically sound...with good temperaments......and the proper stafford attitude...i dont mind a dog that doesnt like other dogs...if i know this then i can take steps to avoid accidents...and this attitude is a big part of a proper staff...to have a good staff includes all aspects of the old "pit" dogs...we all know the history of the breed...i assume its one of the reasons we all feel for the dogs.....so why try and change the temperament of these great wee dogs..?

do you mean the dog agressive side of their temperament Tusker?

Was every Stafford in days of old really born wanting to fight- or was it down to the individual dog as to its temperament?

I ask this question as I too like to learn

Issues like gameness worry me because of BSL etc to be honest
I dont think a dog has to want to rip anothers throat out to be a good dog-
as you say fitness IS important as are a good looking dog. They should go hand in hand

If he has poor confirmation he wouldn't fit the breed standard.....the breed standard is the set of rules by which the required confirmation of the dog is described....so this statement is a contradiction

As for what was said....beleive me when a dog wins well others within the breed(well respected or not) will slate the dog....some just out of jealousy and some because the dog is not their 'type'

well in days gone by lel, most staffs were owned by folk that used them for what they were bred for.....a common myth is that all workin dogs are screaming banshee's...they are mad....u do get dog like this...but on the whole most working dog s are very good people dogs...but thats not my point.and its not somthing to be discussed on this board...as im sure there will be someone who mis reads what we are saying and before u know it we'r this and that !. My point is this u know the history of the dogs....so why try and change one of the main traits of the dogs that is its temperament...im not sayin u should work the dogs...but if u want the staffs then u should be prepared to take on the whole package...good and bad points !...i suppose thats why leeds were invented !..lol....once u start to alter the make up to suit a certain standard ..well (imo) thats the start on the slippey slope and although not at the bottom of it ( thats where the kc bulldog is ) ..the show staffs is getting there

i just wondered out of all the people here who show staffords think there dog could handle more than a few miles walk ,or too that matter any dog in the show ring i think youd be pushed very hard to find one that couldnt and i dont think there quite the unhealthy monstrosity there made out to be. ive posted two staffords of my prefered type both champions take a look at them and me honestly do you think theyed do a ten mile run without a heart attack, they may not be everyones cup off tea but sure not what there gettin portrayed as.

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No but I'm sure many of them have bred and served the breed for many many years.The show ring does not require the kind of conditioning you do where all body mass is stripped from a dog.
I don't see the point of this post...staffys have come to the point where there are 2 very different types...its not the only breed....what about labs for example...look at a working lab compared to a show lab!
Just lets agree that there are 2 types of owners requiring different 'thing' from their staffs and hence a different type to do that. I don't judge dogs by other peoples 'say so'....as I said people are far to quick to bitch about a winning dog.Show people want a dog that confirms to the standard and others want a dog capable of extreme physical work.
Theres no right or wrong.....just individuals

do you not think we can still have a good dog without the agression though?
Im not talking about turning the staffy into a whimperimg sop who cowers behind your legs if another dog so much as looks at it :wink:

I think so many agressive dogs let loose in the wrong hands could wipe out the breed and thats where we need to strike a careful balance

You say you have years of experience and know the breed well
but not all do Tusker and I'm sure none of us - whichever type we *prefer* would like to see that happen

I pray to god it never will

Show labs...yuup...very prone to H/D not being able to do the job their field working brother's could do.....u seem to miss my point Archer, and that is the winning show staffs are not healthy dogs...iv been there iv seen them i speak about what iv seen...a kc ch show ....are u saying what i say isnt true ?...if so can u give me axamples of winning ch's 9kc) who would do 10miles bike work......and dont say they dont need to be able to do this....its all about health and physical ability nothing more....

who mentioned agressive dogs lel...this is a popular misconception.......

tusker if you read up few posts i did there but you may off missed it.kc ch dogs that could do ten miles that is

so in what context do you mean?

I thought thats what you meant

well in what context do u mean agressive dogs ?

Pete ..i wouldnt disagree with u m8, but these dogs are not the norm for winning kc dogs.....have u actually seen these dogs doing the 10miler's....?

I mean in what context do you mean gameness

everyone knows what agression is

do u think gameness and agression are the same thing ...lol?

isnt gameness also about athleticism etc ?

With you saying this
*but if u want the staffs then u should be prepared to take on the whole package...good and bad points !.*

I thought thats what YOU were implying
apologies if I read it wrong....

gameness and agression are in my opinion not the same...although u will get some member's who dont know any better saying that it is.....this is a lack of knowledge about the heritage of these great dogs.....If u want a staff then u should accept all its points ..good and bad....dont get the dogs and then try and change it to siut ur idea's