Perfect stafford - what would your ideal Staffordshire Bull Terrier look like? Discussions

Fits the standard to a T....good example of a staff. To be a good breed example a dog must confirm to the breed standard....that is not saying that a dog that doesn't is a bad dog...just not a good breed example.
My Archer was a wonderful,good looking dog...HE WAS NOT a good example of a SBT!

I dont even know why people get soooo worked up about a dog they dont prefer?

Does it matter at the end of the day?

Whatever we say or think is not going to make the other type/s change nor other peoples opinions change

We all had the choice to go out and buy (or breed) the type we like and to us as individuals will be as perfect as we hope

So we all now have our preferred types - so why do any of us care that someone has a different looking dog as we have our own babes?

Well said Lel

Lel chillll......why get so worked up, I am sure you have in the past made passing comment on dogs you dont like? Everybody is entitled to an opinion, it does not mean its right or wrong its just that personal opinion.

I think sometimes people care or get worked up because they have a passion for certain breeds and they are genuinley worried that a trend for certain types could ultimatley lead to the downfall of the breed, not starting anything here just trying to expain.

So that may not be everbody's opinion but there could be much worse reasons for somebody having an opinion on a dog. The passion for the breed is what keeps people talking and debating, nowt wrong with that Lel. And at the end of the day to those people showing dogs whenever you do this like it or not you are putting the animal out there to be judged yes by judges but you have to accept that others will have opinions just like they will with anything in the public eye.

So the long and short really is this is a seciton for heated debates, its obvious that people care about the dogs and for the most part the debate has gone on quite nicely without getting too catty. If it really annoys people so much then perhaps just not getting involved would be a better option (easier said than done though right )

I mean the debate is called "perfect stafford" would be pretty boring if we all agreed on one dog we all thought was perfect and if it was just a case of accepting others have different views why even bother having a heated debates section or starting this thread........truth is its nice to hear & see different views from our own from time to time whether we take it on board or not.

I thought that was

agree with Laura :smt023 I misread tuskers post too, I am not a show person so perhaps my comments are not as valid to this debate as those of the show people so I will bow out at this point.

but you arent going to get people who show and maybe stand next to Bill in the ring saying on this thread that they dont like his dog are you?

After all- anyone can view this board

Isnt that the whole point of asking the questions? Just to find out, if people dont want to answer that is their perogative but its quite sad if it is the case that people would not feel free to be able to say what they like without worrying what others think.

If I dont like a dog I would say so whether I know the person or not, constructive criticism and like I say if you dont want to hear it then no point putting the animal out there to be judged I know I would rather hear negative and positive about my dog rather than just positive.

I think we all have our own views on what dogs should be placed and what shouldnt- but we arent the judges (unfortunately)

but if anyone feels that Casanova is a poor representative of the breed then bear in mind that there are LOTS of pups sired by this dog - is that good or not??????

not.

(sorry just giving honest opinion)

I presume Tusker has asked the question because many people feel that Casnova is not how they think the Stafford should look ???

Forgive me if I am wrong and that is not the reason you asked Tusker- as I say I am only presuming

He is only one dog though and yet he creates much discussion from many people :? (and i dont just mean on this board)

Not. Sometime ago Lel (cant remember if it was on here or another forum) you mentioned that there were some well known (show) dogs siring scores of pups each year even though they were passing on faults/problems just in the hope they may produce another champion. So not just talking about Cassanova I would say this is also very wrong and is placing rosettes and titles above health of the dogs.

Bloody right its wrong if they breed for a rosette and not for health and its people like this that need shooting

Well, once again im just in from work and catching up on the recent posts on this subject, well so far it seems that opinion are split...those that prefer the longer legged more athletic dogs having there say...and the more show orientated member's wondering how any one can not like a dog with all those CC's ...i mean he must be the best stafford right ?....i mean lets put aside the fact that the judges who gave him his CC's have never conditioned a dog....or really exercised a dog ...and also lets put aside that this dog has breathing problems...i was recently told by a very respected show staff owner that this dog took part in a charity walk and coudnt manage more than a few miles...why ?...poor breathing ..and poor conformation.....i know he might fit the standard...but what does that say about the standard...when to fit this criteria ur dog must lose all althletic ability ...can u honestly say that this dog could run next to a bike for 10miles without having a heart attack ?....never mind 21miles....i think not...im not doing a job on this wee dog...i only used him as an example of what is wrong with a lot(not all) show bred dogs..now i know im gonna get slaughtered for this post...but hey so what ....i had to endure comments regarding a bitch that i bred but dont own...coming from people who couldnt tell u the 1st think about getting a dog properly fit...the dog is skinny....why then does it have muscle mass ?...anyway im not saying that to be a good dog they have to be over 18in in height.....here's a question for those that show their staffs.....what phyisical tasks must a show ch perform to prove that he is worthy of that title...and what traits does he have to show to be classed as a good stud dog...i know what the working dogs have to go through..( i dont mean fighting) to prove this......and that is one of the main differences between these 2 types of staffords....the show folk seem hell bent on putting appearances before all else...and the working dog owner's put good health and ability before good looks.......how anyone can argue that just because their dogs fit a certain standard they are better dogs...well is beyond me....if u breed kc dogs to healthy kc dogs u will get plenty of healthy fit animals...some small some tall..but they wont win anything..when u start to pigin hole animals well thats when the trouble starts...this is just my opinion....based on experience

good post tusker :smt023 :smt023

I dont think everyone said that though to be fair.
Not many show people answered and I didnt give an answer either way

Dont forget you can also gain a CC because of the quality of dogs there on the day......
you might be the best of a bad lot on that particular day?

I think its unfair to generalise- there are MANY good examples of staffords in the ring and many fit ones to and MANY good breeders who wont use certain lines whether they are sucessful or not because they arent *right* for their own line

Because people see *one* dog that does well that they perhaps may not like does not mean that all staffords are the same

If you feel so strongly about this dog then maybe you need to pick the brains of the judges as to *why* they hold him in such high esteem.

only used him as an example of what is wrong with a lot(not all) show bred dogs

lel ...the majority of show dogs that are winning would fall into this catogery (imo)

but its the judges that place them there and so influence what may be bred in the future :?

A lot of judges have been involved in staffords for many years having also bred themselves.
So do we blame the judges or the fickle breeders?

what qualifications...do these judges have.....god forbid they award certs to dogs they have bred...part own...belong to friends....naw that wouldnt happen would it ?