Origins & Practices of the British Inuit General Chat

I believe the NI with NIs that she breeds are still called NIs, not BIs.

I'm not sure you can compare the BI, or NI with other 'breeds' as they are still work in progress. When the existing pedigrees were being created, what were they at that time?

What if some breeders of KCS decided to breed out the issue with their brain, set up a new club and started breeding for larger heads. What would these dogs be? They couldn't be KCS because their heads would be too big for the breed standard, so they'd have to be called something else. They'd also be healthier, is this not what the BIDC is trying to do?

The challenge of the temprement alone on that breed standard would be enough to put me off !

So if these so called dogs are so great WHY ON EARTH are they being PTS as soon as they hit the teenager stage?
Because they have nasty tendancies! NO other breed gets PTS at the age between 6 - 12 months old because they hit the teenage stage so what makes these so different?
Well it must but something not right as normally a bit more training and hard work on every other breed sorts that stage out so why not a czech?
Why do these dogs have to be PTS instead?

Have you heard of this Jem? Thats worrying.

Yeah im just trying to find the info on it. It's happened a quite a few occasions

That seems a bit strange to me as man has spent the past 15,000 years harnessing the 'usuable qualities of the wolf' and turning it into a domesticated animal.

I'm not trying to argue with you - all I was saying is that if it all goes 'pear shaped' then it's not necessarily because of the CsW half of the mix.

What do you mean so called dogs? The crosses or pure bred CsW??

I assume you are talking of the crosses? Are you saying there is a common occurance with well bred pure CsW's being put to sleep before they hit 1yr???? You must be quite involved in the breed to know that??? If your talking of the crosses then why not just assume that maybe the breeders of them made poor choices when it came to mixing them and NI's together and maybe they didn't have good CsW's to begin with - The breed standard states that aggression is a disqualifying trait.

It's a bit disappointing that the CsW breed reputation could be ruined before it even started over here in the UK because of how they may or may not have been used so far.

I didn't write the breed standard! Obviously it was something they wanted to do some 50yrs ago...each to their own.

Sorry Mys, I didnt mean to imply that you were. I was trying to say, we are all saying what these dogs are like, yet nobody actually "lives" with them. The ones here appear to be kennels dogs for breeding purposes only, which is why I can see major problems arising from it.
Dawn.

I met a woman yesterday who had a CWD cross NI and it turned on her at 14 months and she gave it back to the breeder. She said he had sold it as a inuit and didn't tell her it had CWD in it. But when she took it bad he told her the truth. She has got togther with other CWD owners who are now try to get there money back from this breeder for sell them a dog with CWD in it. The breeder now advertises them as CWD cross NI but didn't before. She said the dog she gave back at 14 months has been rehomed 4 times by the breeder.

Oh dear its always the dogs that suffer, that poor dog will always have problems as it has never bonded to anyone, 5 homes in the space of 14 months he won't know if hes coming or going.
would you be allowed to advertise the cwd part ?

My neighbours dog has epilepsy it`s a borderxcollie i know of many other breeds of dogs which have this, a bit like people some have it some don`t isn`t it something to do with the electrical waves in the brain, because with humans it isn`t more commom in white or black people or asian or any other ethnic group so i think you are sterotyping WRONG thing to say borderdawn

and would you therefore breed from fitting dogs or dogs with siblings with epilepsy just because it can happen in other breeds?

NO I am sure not.

However some breeders have and some continue to do so ............. this is whee the problem lies and why the condition will continue to crop up again and again

Actually owners of lots of breeds will give up at this point, many will rehome, some will just dump and there are a fair few who will see a vet and wish to have their dog PTS

So sad

No you try to breed the any health issues out of the breed, what i am trying to say is that it`s us as human who have created this mess, and the kennel club has encouraged this IMO. And each and every dog like humans have health issues. I`ts a real shame

how on earth can the KC have encouraged it in NI dogs?
yes other breeds have it, but they are open about the problem, they dont come onto forums shouting things like other dogs have it, they get together and try to irradicate it from there blood lines,
I think you feel the NI dogs are being singled out,, they are not, but if you choose to only look at NI threads you may feel this way, there are many threads on here about other breeds

Breeders have changed the look of many dogs over the years have they not? or are the recent tv programmes all lying?

Anyway this is MO and i am not going to start getting into rows, like i said i have no problems with my BI either health of temperment, she is clever, sweet natured and has never gone for a human or another dog, she will sumit, and as she does Search and Rescue i shold hope not.

This thread is not about KC reg dogs, its about the NI/TI/UTES which have no KC recgognition,