Opinions On Crossing GSDs with NIDs Controversial

I am still wondering if you also intend to recreate the whole Northern Inuit ‘is there or isn’t there’ (wolf in the breed) myth as well?

May people assume then that you will be using your recently acquired F1 to cross with your recently acquired Czech, like your new friend, another UK breeder, has done on at least two occasions so far?

He has the uncle to your F1 doesn’t he?

For the love of God you are joking right??

Just when I thought everyone had got a clue and started putting things right!

Please tell me this is not so and if it is please tell me all documentation is correct and this dog will not be sneaked in the back door of the NO CONTENT breeds

Quite an allegation

Sorry that is off topic but

As for the OP I dont think the NI needs to outcross at the moment thay have a fairly established gene pool and have records and started all health checks IMO, the BUA however have started a new breeding program because we certainly need a whole load of new lines... outcrossing is not an option in the normal terms as the dogs behind ours cannot be put back in so we have started a new register and in theory a new breed British Utonagan ... founders to be the lines of Ute we can salvage and new founding dogs GSD, Mals and Mal x GSD at the mo... we intend to bring in as many new lines as we can over the next 5 years and basically are starting our records from scratch...all dogs have full pedigrees, background checks on health, temperament and colour etc and there is a breeding program in place to cover all our breeders, new lines and future plans...

This all in our web-site, we have some good lines coming forward now but it will take time to get pedigree owners on board, thankfully we have a lot of good people who are encouraging to our plans and have had the help of a lot of experienced GSD breeders and KC judges... Maries litter I think looks nice particularly the lighter ones and I am watching them with interest.

No joke deadly serious!

Chacal... where do these facts come from? it does concern me as i believe this is my dogs sister you are talking about.

Seen the pics of this litter and they do look nice, i wish you guys all the luck in the world on your well thought out and well planned out crossing programe.

For me there is no way you can compare this to that is being done else where such at this mating.

The source of the information is not currently for disclosure. The reply from Sansorrella when it comes should make interesting reading

Great more smoke and shadows! If you have evidence then share it please as this is quite a serious matter.

Also it doent help that your profile hasnt been filled out and you have only posted 6 times all of which have been on here. It makes it hard to put weight to your claims and not just think you are a troll . . .

I would love to know the source of your information - there's an awful lot of rumours flying around at the moment that just aren't true.

If they were true I would hardly have an open invitation for anyone to come and meet my pack in my homw would I?

Most of my NIs are neutered. I have two NI bitches of breeding age and a Saarloos x NI cross that lives with my daughter that I bred. I am also getting a GSD around Xmas and another later in the year, so I may get back into the GSD world again.

I have stated that I won't cross my Cwd bitch and she will be bred with nothing other than a Cwd.

You are making quite a proposerous accusation there based on nothing but rumour - while telling us very little about yourself. Seems you have just come on here to cause trouble.

As for the NI gene pool - whoever it was that mentioned it - I don't consider the same names coming up more than a dozen times in a pedigree to be an adequate gene pool. You don't see it on the 2 or 3 generation pedigrees given by the clubs - but go back a bit further and you see the full picture. But its a matter of personal choice, those that wish to remain blinkered are able to continue to inbreed, while others of us wish to do something about the situation.

Well i have gone back 5 gens with Elas pedigree and the same dogs dont appear more then 2 to 3 times. She has a less line bred pedigree then my sibe!

I don't remember what your breeding was but if you send me the pedigree I can send you a family tree and also tell you the coefficiency of inbreeding.

As I said, not everyone agrees with us - thats up to them.

I do claim that you have an F1, it may be now in hiding. I know where you bought it, how much you paid and that more is to be paid when you breed from it. The breeder recently tried to take the dog back from you and the police were involved. They told you not to dispose of the dog, they not realising what that it is an F1, until it was paid for.

Your denial is interesting but given your outlook possibly not surprising.

If you continue to deny the truth here then I will escalate the affair with the relevant authorities. A good starting point would be your new Czech breeder friend and your old Inuit friend, the one who you got th F1 from.

Don't worry there is nice paper trail to follow. It starts with you and goes all the way back to the USA 3 - 4 years ago.

She has 3 or 4 main lines behind her, Mahlek and Cabales are the main two thought.

To be blunt if i want to do a coefficiency of inbreeding i will do it myself, her 3 gen pedigree is on our website but i'm afraid i dont know or trust you enough to send any sort of info on my dog.

Hi Lanie

May I ask you a couple of questions, please?

Knowing what you do about my dog's epilepsy and health issues of some dogs related to him, are you ruling out using dogs that have relatives in common with him?

With the lack of information sharing that has gone on in the past and the questionable pedigrees, how can you be certain pedigrees are correct and therefore that dogs are from apparently healthy lines?

Are you not using huskies?

Okay, sorry, that was more than a couple of questions.

Thanks.

Chacal you are obviously being fed incorrect information.

The person who was removed from my premises after attempting to take my dogs has herself stated in a recent article in the Telegraph newspaper that she owns an F3. That particular animal is sterile so couldn't have produced anything whatever he is.

I did have a Northern Inuit cross puppy that I reared and that has now gone to another home - not in hiding - just been rehomed to a family member. Just because someone has a dog it doesn't necessarily mean they are going to breed from it - that is a wild assumption. I have many dogs here that I don't intend breeding from, they are merely family pets.

Anything that I have purchased from Andre Tanner is my own business, everything has been paid for in full and if I choose to rehome a dog that I own that is my own business. One Saarloos x I picked up from her was later returned as being totally unsuitable for my needs.

All my dogs are on my website and anyone can see that your accusations are false.

You've obviously just joined Dogsey to jump on the bandwagon and continue this farce.

Your post is deemed to contain a threat and I shall deal with it accordingly.

Whoever mentioned it one of the health researchers from another breed club Sandra..... and yes I have seen all the backgrounds and yes in the beginning it was getting out of hand, but the way I see it was a lot of inexperienced breeders went to fast too soon... if you however take a good look at the way things are progressing now then I feel they are going the right way.. However as I asked before on another forum it would be a lot more help the breeders and breed clubs if all the information was put in a format accessible and understandable to other breeders and given out with improvement and health the main priority and not bitching and slating other breeders then everyone would get on so much better.... these are dogs lives in question NOT ammunition to bombard other people with!!

And to say anyone that questions YOU is blinkered is not only rude but very stupidly niave on your part. If you had read the post by whoever you will see out of everyone I am the last person you could accuse of inbreeding my dogs.

Hi LuckyStar...yes we have ruled out a lot of lines due to epilepsy worries and other things to.. I would however be very grateful if you could send me a copy of Lokis pedigree, I have other Lokis from Rose but not yours...Carol never furnished us with anything:?

We thought that we would leave out Husky due to the piebald colours, the blue eyes and lack of recall (runs for cover....no offense to any lovely huskies) for the moment, we have looked at Belgian Sheps, Working GSd lines, a few pet lines(only as they are the old fashioned shape and we wanted a few whites again for future colours ) and Mal (just a little)...but we are option open for the next few years once we see the next few first cross pups develop and then mate ..

Ask as many questions as you like you are more than welcome

Hi Lanie

It's no secret; it's good for groups to know so that they know to avoid using those lines - I PMd you back in September with Loki's background, don't you remember? (Memory loss ... lack of sleep or alcohol ... hmm? ).

A culmanation of all of the above

I just went and looked back and its there all right...I had wrote it down, and put it in our records ...but didnt write it was Loki

yes that is the lines we have disallowed in the new breed pool, I also have the same info from Tamascan breeders too... have pmd you

edt no I havent your inbox is full lols... will send it when I can