Opinions On Crossing GSDs with NIDs Controversial

No of course not, it would be crazy to have a Husky in a top floor flat but what i'm saying to you is people do it, it is their choice. You can advise them against but if someone is determined they will go ahead no matter what you, me or anybody else says.

But what you were saying was that its should not be for anyone else to say they cannot??
It might be a choice, but that does not mean it is right or should be encouraged....which seems to be what you were suggesting.

These are yes, but others are not, yet classed in the same "type" category.

I believe i said earlier in the thread that education is the key, in the scenario you have given i agree with you its madness, i am not saying that scenario is right or that i support it but realistically what can you do?

Take away the persons right to choose, how will you accomplish that? Phone the police, rspca, what?

Education, breeders...talk rationally to people?

People are not all unresonable, and many will call and talk about things...to breeders or trainers, or even friends. There is no point in getting uptight and yelling that they are doing the wrong thing - calmly explaining wil often acomplish alot.

I have loads of people in classes who ask me about breeding and say how nice it would be to have a litter - do I don't yell at them, tell them it is wrong....I explain.....calmly why it is not a good idea...and 99% will go away and get the dog neutered.

Taking the time to explain and educate people is not a problem - as long as they are given facts, eg - these are crossbreeds so you cannot be sure of the traits you will get and not generalisations like - they will have a good recall becasue mine and others I have met do.

I mainly have border collies -and I love them....people come up and tell me BCs are easy to train...my reply....SOME can be! I will not make generalisations about breeds...let alone crosses!

So what makes you think Cheyanne is not going to explain to her puppy owners in the same manner you would about possible traits in the puppy's.

I will say it again - this is nothing to do with Cheyenne....I am not questioning her ability as an owner or breeder. Until you brought it up - I did not realise this was sparked by her litter.

I have no reason to question that she cannot or will not inform people about the potential difficulties of this cross.

Well i'm just trying to stay on topic, if you want to start a thread on crossbreeds and recall or Husky's in top floor flats i'll happily join in

Firstly; well said. There are far to many wolfy like dogs being returned or re-homed. Just wanting a breed is simply not good enough; it is imperative that the animals needs are considered.

My first Saarloos was originally sold to someone who lived in a flat (not top floor) in a city and was away at work all day. The animal only stayed there a matter of weeks before the other residents complained and he was rejected. In my opinion this experience left him with severe anxiety separation problems (not evident in his siblings).

Was the dog able to get over these problems?
Also, was it one that you bred? if so were you not concerned about letting it go to this person?
Having said that i know plenty of dogs that are left alone all day and are fine with it- but admittedly they are all very cared for otherwise and none are the aforementioned breed..........which i have little experience with personally....hence my curiosity.

No - topic was about the suitability of crossing these dogs.....not about one particular person and her abilities as an owner or breeder.

No, the dog has never been able to get over to this. Saarloos are very sensitive to what they experience in the first few months of life. I would put the the problem down to being taken from his siblings at an early age (maybe 6 weeks?) and then left alone all day. The Saarloos has quite a wolf like mentality and as such isolation would mean certain death in the mind of a wolf. The situation would doubtless cause great stress. I met him at 8 weeks of age. For legal reasons I contacted the previous owner and I did visit the tower block where he lived. There was no garden nor any country walks.

I do not breed dogs; the breeder was a nice middle class family who wanted a litter from their bitch and kept one of the pups.

I believe someone posted on this thread earlier that there was a reason that the Saarloos was not suitable for use in furthering the NI and that was its 'shy' temperament. I would have to agree that it is probably the case.

Thank you for taking the time to explain that
That is really interesting, and how breeds differ in their ability to 'handle' certain situations. I guess that if you are going to breed such dogs then the breeder really should take care to make sure that the homes they are going to are right for the dogs.

Does this include any F1 blood?

o/t i know
hello and welcome
what type of wolfdog do you have?

I have Czechs

oooh! look forward to chatting csv then,i have one called Tupac ;-)


any pics???

Thank you yes, but I believe we should talk about our Czechs in a different arena as I am very interested in this specific thread and don't want to get into trouble for going off the topic.

If you read my website you will see that it details quite clearly phases one and two of our breeding plan, and also clarifies the breeds being used as Sibe, GSD and Mal (the original breeds used to create the NI). It also states that in the future we may consider putting the crosses back to good, health tested and proven NI studs.

We will not be moving too far away from the NI look and temperament, but we do need to carefully expand the genepool and on my website it explains the 'why's and wherefore's'.

Hope this clarifies the matter.

As you have CWDs I am curious as to why you are drawn to this thread specifically, as it has nothing to do with CWDs?

I have tried to PM or email you but it seems you haven't put any contact details on your profile - in fact your profile is very sparse.

If you would care to PM me your email address I would like to chat more about our interest in CWDs.