Opinions On Crossing GSDs with NIDs Controversial

I cant speak for anybody else, i'm just giving my opinion based on what i have found. Its not my place to tell anybody what dog they should or should not have. You can advise, yes but if someone is determined they will go ahead anyway.

Yes i hear this all the time, its a common belief, education is the key.

Perhaps, and there are all those people willing to supply the demand.

I do NOT agree with the crossbreeding, never have but I do admire the stance on health. The Wolfdog crosses cannot be claimed as "healthy" either, I dont think there is a single one in the country past around 5yrs is there, but the breeders claim to be experts dont they!! Of course we also have the Czech Wolfdog who has had several litters with a hip score of 42 aswell, hardly the way ahead is it? But hey, it supplies a demand, right?

Like i said Dawn i cant speak for everybody else, only myself.
The subject of 'this' thread concerns a litter of pups from health tested parents with low hip scores and that is what i am posting about.
Many people may not like what i have to say but i'm as entitled to my opinion as anybody else

Of course Liz, I didnt mean to have a go, and I have said that although I disagree with the crossing, I DO agree with the steps being made to use health tested animals now. Credit where its due.

Ok Dawn, sorry might have been a bit testy myself as dealing with a guy on another forum who's stating that all gay people should basically be terminated.

PRATT!

In many ways it ties in with this thread, like i was saying earlier, its all about personal choice. Dogs, sexuality, whatever. What right does anyone have to tell anyone else what partner or dog they should have?

LOL! if you had seen that program tonight illustrating the types of people that are allowed to own and breed SBT you might disagree!!

Er no the quotes I got for Roodee(who is a CKCS & not a Cross)were all for a CKCS, but the higher quotes were for him as a KC reg puppy from fully health tested(& I do mean fully ie father over 5 with clear heart, eyes & MRI scan & mother both heart, eye & MRI scanned "normal & over 2.5 years of age & both sets of G parents health tested the same & all 4 had clear hearts well over 5 years of age) & the lower ones for an unregistered CKCS from non health tested parents !

Insurance companies don't actually insurance more mongrels than Pedigree dogs,by far the vast majority(ie over 75% of insured dogs)are pedigree dogs. My neighbour has a crossbreed(lurcher) & from being obtained under the age of 2 has been insured. In the last three years(he's not yet 6)he has been on very expensive heart medication & went once gone over the £7.000 limit & goes near to it every year since then. So much for hybrid vigour.

My Collies & Cavaliers rarely go to the vet, my last visit was for a rabies booster & my next will be for a Suprelorin implant.

It's not just the breeding that affects health but also the environs & nutrition that the dogs live in & receive.

As I have said in another thread started by the same person

If anyone has any questions they would like to ask me, I invite them to ask me directly by the appropriate means i.e. via the contact details given on my website.

I am sorry but I am not going to participate in any threads, or reply to any posts that I feel are purely personal, judgmental or to start yet another argument to slander me!

I hope you understand.

It seems there are many that have come to very damning conclusions, assumptions and judgments of some one they know nothing about, other than the slander posted by certain people.

Why not contact the person in question i.e. me, and have your questions answered directly by going through the propper means of contact, rather than gossip?

Aggreed....but on the flip side - you cannot go around telling people that NI's will have a good recall because they might not! IMO it is not a sensible reason to get an NI instead of a Sibe.

I also have crossbreeds - usually that have come to me from other people. I would no longer go out looking for a crossbreed and pay ££'s for it - I would go to a rescue for that reason. JMO.

I really can't see the similarity sorry.

Your sexuality is a personal choice to do with you and you alone....a dog is an Animal that is alive and has needs seperate to yours. If you cannot provide for those needs you should not have the dog - and I would be quite happy to tell people that!

Hi Tassle
I'm not going round telling anybody anything about recall but i do know many people with this type of dog and none of them have a problem with recall so i can only go on what i know. I've seen many people at the beach, woods, park who have a dog that does not recall and they are all different types of dog, its poor training imo.
That's excellent that you would go and rescue a crossbreed, many people are scared to take a rescue on incase it has issues and would prefer a puppy, i can understand that having rescued dogs myself.

Your choice of dog is a personal choice to do with you and you alone..... What makes you think people wont be able to care and provide for Cheyanne's puppy's, does she produce some kind of monsters that i nothing about, is she incapable of choosing the right families for them to go to?

The problems with these dogs are that they dont have any uniformity in anything other than colour. They differ in size, massively sometimes, they differ in character and temperament immensely. This is indicative of a "breed" that is not true. Some say they dont recall, yet you read "easy to train, obedient" on some "respected" breeders websites. Many say they are destructive and suffer sever separation anxiety, some say they dont and its to do with training! So what it is with these dogs? Plain to see is the lack of anything consistent and this will worsen with more crossbreeding. I admire the stance on health, and stand by that.

Hi Dawn
These dogs are being sold as crossbreeds so you would not expect them to have any consistency.

Way off topic! I think you will find sexuality is not necessarily a 'personal choice' but something that people have no choice over (plenty of scientists argue a genetic or biological cause). Buying a dog on the other hand is a choice.

If someone wants to pay £500 for a mongrel then who cares. I have been given some fantastic crossbreds for free and the owners/breeders have been just grateful for a good home.

Going by this thread wolfdogowner i'd say quite a few, personally £500 sounds ok to me.

Edit to add - I'll steer clear of the rest as your right, its off topic, it is debatable but not here.

I am not talking about specific people - I am talking about dogs! I am sure she will look for fantastic homes for her pups and provide them with great back up.....I am not picking on her and tbh had no idea this thread was about her till you mentioned it.

Your choice of dog is your personal choice...BUT - if you cannot provide the right enviroment and home for that dog you should not have it - these are live animals with needs seperate to your own, therefore the dogs needs have to be considered - it cannot be purely your choice.

If someone contacted me telling me they lived in a top floor flat and were at work all day, had 20 mins morning and evening to walk teh dog but they were going to get a husky as 'that was thier choice' I would tell them that was unfair to the dog and that they should not do it - can you not see how that would be unfair to the dog, despite the fact that was thier 'personal choice'?
Would you truely say....Go ahead - because its what you want?