Names for an NI General Chat

Do you think the NI is "common" here? Seriously? I hope they NEVER become common for the dogs' sake. The very fact there there are several in general not only breed rescue, spanning this country and in Scotland etc.. is extremely bad news, as if they were being bred by responsible breeders and found correct homes they would never end up in rescue would they!! that goes for EVERY breed!


Your statement about Huskies is EXACTLY what I have been saying, if you read the posts. Breeders are promoting, not so much now, but certainly previously and still now with many, the NI as a good pet, as submissive to challenge, easily trained and can be let off lead. Subsequently we hear of NI's exercised on electric collars just so they can run loose and the founder breeder Julie Kelham putting links on the NI site for prong collars to help people control them, for gods sake cant you see whats ensuing?

You cannot crossbreed the Husky, GSD and Malamute and get an easily controlled, placid, submissive family pet! I agree in some cases you will get a well behaved dog, of course you will, but in most cases the traits of these breeds will come out and as those traits are not desirable to an average person, it will end in trouble.

If your LAbrador showed guarding tendancies then it wasnt typical, if my Labs ever guarded anything Id of been horrified and very upset. Most dogs will bark if people knock the door etc.. but displaying guarding tendancies in a breed that should show no sign of aggression is very bad IMO.

Your dogs may be well behaved, I dont doubt you, I DID say I there would be those that are, but you have to admit that there are many that cause issues for their owners and that several just on the one forum that use shock collars and the promotion of prong collars does not give the impression you do.

I think people just find it strange why someone doesnt want to say who bred their new puppy as on all other threads in the forum for other breeds people happily say.

Just makes you think if its a secret, why is it a secret?

Just for clarification...and maybe to help clear the NIS name...that was mostly MY discussion...and the one on a shock collar is MY husky. Shock collars and Prong collars are common and accepted here as long as you have proper training. and I will not argue that point on this tread because it is not what this discussion is about.

As far as making good pet....of course they make good pets...all dogs make good pets to people who have done the research and know what they want in a breed. everything I have read says that they do better with a second dog, everything I have read says that they enjoy digging...that doesn't make them a bad family pet, that just means that people will need to know how to channel those needs in the dogs...with training, like any pet, I bet they do great as a pet.

maybe they feel like it will just cause more arguments.....and the NI haters on this forum don't need anymore fuel.

Well I have to say I am really not horrified and upset that the labrador we USED to have was an excellent guard dog. I at no point said he was agressive. It was you that brought up the word aggressive. As he died over 20 years ago it really is irrelevant anyway.

Not every breed will suit every person and you can only expect people who love their dogs to answer when somebody says they do not make good pets.

In reply to your comments about shock collars and pinch collars could I ask you if you have any experience of using these and what experience do you have to say they are wrong?

Would you also think that using spurs and curb bits on a horse is cruel? I certainly wouldn't. Whilst any of these aids could be used incorrectly and cause harm used properly they can be a useful training aid. How many top class dressage riders do not use a double bridle and spurs. None is the answer.

In my opinion a normal flat collar is a training aid and can cause harm to a dog if abused. In a perfect world we would not use collars and leads but we do not live in a perfect world do we.

Nope a least 3 NI's have them, all because they would worry livestock, not talking of your Husky at all, and thats not looking through anywhere but on here!

A guard dog uses aggression Jane, thats what they are, they guard property, possesions etc... thought Id point that out for you. If your Lab did that I would of been deeply upset and very concerned, still would.:-(

I have said previously a shock collar "may" be the answer when all else is failed and the dogs next port of call is the Vets, are you saying that this is the case for the NI's that are made to wear them? Or have people bought or been misled into buying dogs that actually do NOT suit their lifestlye and consequently due to bad training, inadequate socialising or the fact that they have high prey drive dog without the breeders drumming into them what they are really like, that these animals are now suffering?

Re prong collars, well, when somebody like JK starts a thread on where to get them from and you have a line of posters, many saying weve got one too, it really does stink doesnt it. To think that people will need such things is absolutely beyond me when they, for the most part have these animals from puppies. People can walk 8 racing Greys at a time, several Huskies, Mals etc,, and not one needs a prong collar, shame on you people!!

I accept in very sepecial circumstances they "may" be a tool of help, but certainly not for the average family pet which is what these dogs are supposed to be.

I know Nes..some people are so rude aren't they...

However I do prefer people who straight talk..usually its the people who complain about the straight talkers that have something to hide or defend

Oh and before you step off your high horse...its a forum..people are allowed to comment whether you like it or not

I dunno... I'd say my labs are good guard dogs even though they've never shown signs of aggression. Yes, i'd agree that they're not going to be good at the police work GSDs and stuff do as i cant imagine a lab being trained to bite easily as its not in their nature. But when people ask about labs as guard dogs i will happily tell them that every single one of ours will bark loudly when someone comes to the door. As i live on my own, i consider that a positive and would also consider it as guarding, just not on the extreme of showing trained aggression

And i have to agree that, given the obvious hatred on this forum by members and the moderator/admin staff for NIs and their breeders and owners, if i bought one the last thing i would do is post all of its and my details on here to leave myself and the breeder open to abuse from certain individuals. And i havent ever been asked, or given, specific details about how my own dogs are bred (it is freely available on my personal website, but thats my choice to provide it!), nor have i seen such persistant harrassment for these details on any other threads than NI related ones. So it seems that people aren't merely interested for their own research, they'd approach breed clubs and breeders if they were, they are just on a NI witch hunt

Well, i dont know about you Louise, but i see a clear difference between straight talking and downright rudeness

I dont mind someone getting to the point, but manners cost nothing. Theres no reason to be rude and disrespectful, and as you will have found im sure, being polite is more likely to get the desired response than being rude. If someone is rude to me as you were to the OP on this thread, i would immediately get defensive (its human nature) and the last thing i'd do is tell you what you're wanting to know ;-)

You are certainly allowed to comment, and give your opinion, but everyone else is equally entitled not to listen to it

Wow look how well this thread has turned out!!! All the OP wanted was a few ideas for a name for his new pup. What is turned into is a bitchfest at the NI . .

I woudn't blame the OP for never coming back to this place after the way this thread has gone. Not really the friendly forum its made out to be is it?

As I said Jessica, most dogs will bark if somebody comes to the door, a "guard dog" will use more than its bark!

I don't understand what all this arguments is for?

The OP has a new puppy, and has asked for name suggestions, that is all!

Is it really any of our business where she has got her dog from, nobody has ever asked me where I got either of mine from. For a new member to come on here and just ask a simple question, and then have to read all this arguing, is wrong IMO.

I am sure she researched carefully for a breeder, and knows what she has let herself in for Would there be all this aggro if it wasn't an N.I?
Can't we just have one N.I thread that doesn't end up in a free for all to bitch, about this breeder or that breeder. I stopped using Dogsey for ages as I was sick of the bitchiness, no other section has this.

We all know there are some very dodgy breeders of these dogs, and I would love to see them stopped. I want to see all N.I/ Utes health tested, breeders being more honest, the end of some of these dogs being used as money breeding machines. But to give a new member a load of grief, or turning it into another N.I row won't solve anything.

To the OP, I wish you many happy years with your bundle of fluff xxx

Oh, yeah i agree that there are different levels of guarding, but i would still say my labs are good guard dogs

sorry to the op for going off topic here,

but to be fair abbie, I own rotties who are wonderful in every respect, great to train, 100% recall, brill round horses,sheep, lambs, cows, bulls, you name it,
never had a spat with another dog, are great with people and everything they meet,

sadly though they are not typical of the breed, the reason being, many breeders sell dogs to the wrong homes, people who dont have the knowlage to train the breed or the want to do it,
the same sort of thing seems to be happening in NI dogs sadly,

just like rotties, they are not the dog for everyone, though sadly they can be marketed to be.

Hero is a great name for a pup, I like tracker and trapper too x best of luck with him x

Show me where I have been rude please??

Given your previous threads Jessica we all know how you stand on morals (see not rude..plain speaking and its all on here in b&w for everyone to know what I am talking about too)

Oh and I am assuming you are just partaking in this thread now to have a go at me??

How's Richard?? is he looking forward to meeting his new Basenji playfriend?? Are you going to breed them now too?? Will Grace's pups be homed by the time you get your Basenji.. thats brave bringing in a Basenji pup when you will have a pug pup too.. Presuming you will be keeping one from the litter of course

Louise, you're complete lack of knowledge astounds me when you feel the need to post things like the above. I wont even bother with answering that as well... You seem to have made things up off the top of your head

But... WHAT Gracie pups???? God knows where you got that from

If you look at your very first post on this thread it was very hostile and rude. Maybe you cant see rudeness like other people, but enough people found it so that im suprised you cant see it yourself. Theres no need to attack like that really, is there?

I didnt post on these thread to "have a go at you". I just saw the thread, saw a minority of posters, yourself included, had attacked the OP and thought i'd give them some support. If you weren't so rude to them then i'd have had no need to and would have just congratulated them on their puppy

Anyone on this forum is quite welcome to look at my PUBLIC website and make their own opinions about my morals without your uneducated postings (such as above which is just completely random lol) and they are entitled to do that. I breed my dogs, which is apparently what you're against. But FULLY health test everything beyond what the KC recommends, and they're proven in the show ring and all homes are fully vetted and pups well raised and socialised. So i dont think i have too much to worry about


ETA - For anyone who's as confused as me.. Gracie is my pug who im fairly sure hasn't got puppies!! Unless i lost them down the back of the sofa like everything else But she definately, 100% has not had pups, she's even been showing all over christmas so i cant see where Louise got that from!!

right..where to start...
Firstly, borderdawn, my gsd is a manic retriever, she will bring all sorts back to me including toys, wildlife, sticks etc so does that make her a bad example of her breed? afterall she is a pastoral/guarding breed so why would she do this? I must be totally totally ashamed of her??!! Same as the lab that looks after his family- doesnt mean he is going to savage the next person to walk through the gate!!

As for the point about NIs being sold and advertised as the 'perfect' pet then you are right, this does happen. BUT i have not gone into this with my eyes closed, as i said before i have researched the breed and met many NIs and yes they can be a difficult breed, as can any breed of dog. I believe i have the experience to bring up a well socialized, friendly and relaxed dog. Whether you think i can do this is neither here nor there as only time will tell. I know the breed has a higher than average prey drive, that they (some, especially males) constantly challenge you. but i dont think you can say they cant live with small animals- i have two cats, two gunea pigs, two rabbits and a ferret, so far hero has met all of these without incident, I know it will get harder the older he gets and that is why he is being introduced early, so that he knows they are part of his everyday life. And i also know a lot of people think that some NIs shouldnt be let off lead-well that is not going to happen with hero, as i will make sure i train him well enough to enjoy the freedoms any other trained dog should be able to enjoy.

i will say this once more.... I HAVE WRITTEN, FOR EVERYONE TO SEE EARLIER IN THIS THREAD, WHEREABOUTS IN THE COUNTRY I GOT MY DOG FROM AND WHAT LINES HE HAS IN HIS BREEDING AND ALSO WHAT HEALTH TESTS WERE DONE. I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU EXACT NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE BREEDER AS THAT IS PERSONAL, PRIVATE INFORMATION. THERE IS NO SECRET HERE-JUST ME HAVING THE RIGHT TO SOME PRIVACY. IF THIS WERE A THREAD ABOUT GSD OR LAB NAMES THEN YOU WOULD NOT BE TRYING TO BULLY ME INTO SAYING THE EXACT DETAILS-YOU PROBABLY WOULD NOT OF ASKED AT ALL!