My male Frenchie is very large Questions

She did the head to tail tests on him because she was going to use him as her stud. 100% healthy, good breathing, joints all unbelievably healthy, blood work done. Everything checked out for a impeccably healthy frenchie. And sorry I meant she breeds and imports frenchies, and exclusively only imports shepherds for k9 dogs. Just filling you in with the 2 breeds she deals with. And we saw him the day he got in because my girlfriend works there. Attaching a picture of him the day we got him

Imports? Do you not mean exports? Or do you know the difference?

And if that Frenchie was so wonderful, why did she export him and not keep him for herself as a stud dog? Especially as, A you have said, proven himself by throwing eight puppies the first time he was used as a stud dog.

So it is a spin off registry for high volume breeders ie: puppy farms and backyard breeders.

Quote (from North American Purebred Dog Registry website, “A purebred dog that does not have registration papers can be registered with the NAPDR. If you are 100% sure of your dog's breed, fill out the information you know and write ‘Unknown’ on the other places.”

In other words they import full litters which are bred by commercial breeders ie: on puppy farms ect:

No she imports them from a breeder in Denmark. She’s Importing or bringing in the frenchies to the US from europe. The lady who imports them also breeds them because she also loves the European genes. And because she already has 2 studs, one fawn already and one blue brindle. I’m 99.9% he’s purebred and the dam is purebred. We just had customers worried that he’s just so big that the puppies will be monsters. However he mated with our short stocky brindle female. Right now the pups are 5.5 weeks old and are weighing in at about 2.5-3 pounds. Regarding your comments @GsdSlave my girlfriends the one who registered our dogs so I couldn’t tell you. She just seemed to hate the AKC cause even with them there’s loopholes regarding your dog being purebred.

And we were told by many other breeders, if breeding for just companion dogs, paper work isn’t necessary. But some customers want it. Once hes DNA tested with wisdom panel 3.0 I’ll feel a lot more confident about his bloodlines. Just ordered it.

If I wanted to buy a full-bred dog, even if just for a companion dog, I would want full paper work.

Because you can not get pet insurance without correct paper work.

But as far as you are concerned, who cares.

Well we do. And you are supporting a back yard breeder/puppyfarmer who EXPORTS dogs and puppies, and you now have an oversized/overweight dog you are going to use as a sire?

Odd cause we have them both on trupanion top of the line insurance. The dams under breed rider insurance. A forum of frenchie owners in my area all seem to have on the larger scale frenchies. The west coast has all the short stocky compact frenchies. I’m seeing a lot of the 28-36 pounders around here, even some being at the 45-50 pound range. Yet there not fat just muscular as can be and taller looking. The brindle female we got from the same lady is your more standard 24 pound short one

Sorry, but the person who bred your dog is not what I would call a reputable breeder. No doubt she breeds large Frenchies because they have larger litters - and therefore make more money. I'm sure the FB breed club or the AKC would have been able to put you in contact with a dedicated and knowledgeable breeder. Your dog must have been little more than a baby when you allowed the him to mate - hardly enough time to develop, let alone have any meaningful health tests done.
I am appalled that you have shown so little respect for your chosen breed, in choosing breeding stock without seeing the parents, having no interest or knowledge of their pedigrees, and your impatience in using this boy while he was so young. These are the type of standards to be expected of backyard breeders.

Im glad you said it because it was what I was thinking, although I will say that I don’t think the AKC would have been the place to find a responsible breeder recommendation. They seem (to me) to exist as a place to register dogs and take your money, but anybody with purebred dogs can register and sell them as AKC registered dogs but that doesn’t mean that they are a reputable or ethical or knowledgeable or dedicated breeder, it’s just that AKC dogs have more value as the can be “proven” to be purebred (for at least 3 generations I think..).

So I’m sorry for all of the chopped and screwed information. So my girlfriend has been out of work taking care of the litter. Her boss is also the lady who we got our frenchies from. We just talked to her and we have both of our dogs paperwork coming in from Europe. She had to contact her breeder in Denmark, and her breeder in Czechoslovakia. I can assure you they are not puppy mills, how in the world would we be able to get paperwork a year later if they were a mill. The lady we got ours off(girlfriends boss,) is connected with most of the high quality breeders in the North Sea region of Europe. I’m sorry all my informations been hard to comprehend. They’re for sure purebred and we knew this when purchasing just didn’t get the paperwork at the time which it’s than hard to prove(my dumb fault at the time of purchase,) but I’m glad we will now have the necessary paperwork and pedigrees. Will than change our registries over to AKC.

I had a frenchie and he was 45 lbs definately a purebred. I have actually seen a few that are large. It is not unusual.

So you are a breeder of Frenchies, and now you are trying to breed oversize ones because they are fashionable where you live.

And, the "lady" from whom you got your oversized dog had to contact the breeder in Denmark, and the breeder in Czechoslovakia [which does not exist any more as it was split into the two sovereign states of the Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1993].

Not puppy mills? Someone in Denmark and who knows where else now ["in the North Sea region of Europe"], breeds dogs. Presumably to order as you are trying to also breed oversize dogs.

Oh, and Czechoslovakia that was, was not "in the North Seas region of Europe". It, and the new [since 1993] states of the Czech Republic and Slovakia are in Central Europe.

EXPORTS them to who knows where. Then EXPORTS them again to you [in the US?] And how convenient that your out-of-work girlfriend can look after the litter.

What litter? Have you already bred him or is she in Denmark, or the non-existant Czechoslovakia?

The pedigree alone is not the problem it’s the fact you are quite happy to support a dealer who is buying in litters of puppies being bred commercially by Backyard breeders or puppy farmers. Sadly these types of breeders don’t have any morals all they care about is ££££££

Here in the UK there are a lot of illegally imported puppies coming into the country with false paperwork, especially from Eastern Europe where there's a thriving puppy farm industry.

They are kept in horrendous conditions and many of these puppies are sick, underage, and a good percentage die.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ocking-conditions-inside-puppy-farms-that-br/

https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Pet-Breeder/French-Bulldogs-of-Fox-Hill-Farm-599566783543832/
And she also runs this
https://m.facebook.com/FoxHillK9/
Certified vet tech, breeder, k9 trainer, and even offers french bulldog training. If you can’t see that she doesn’t support puppy mills, or people who don’t care for the breeds than I don’t know what to tell you. We chose our frenchies the best we could in the area we live. Every “breeder” we found said delivery only which are all scams. Clearly our two dogs are happy as can be as they are our lives seen in picture below. And there puppies are also happy, healthy and clean as can be.

@Jkeighley - I do not do FB and I would not trust a "vet tech" - who is also a breeder, K9 trainer, offers French Bulldog training, blah blah blah.

A "vet tech" who knows all that? Wowee - how expert is she.

Would you trust a "vet tech to look after your own health - to operate on your heart?

I would not trust such an "expert" to even give my small dog an injection.

You want to breed over-sized, deformed French Bulldogs because where you live they are currently the IN thing.

And you trust a veterinary technician?

Yeah well, as long as you get your money, I guess that is all you care about. Not the health of the dogs, just your wallet.

And in the meantime all the illegally imported puppies suffer, so do the deformed dogs that you want to breed.

Not to benefit the breed, but because you want to fill your wallet with the current phase of oversized, deformed Frenchies that are currently the IN thing where you live.

Thank crunchie I do not live anywhere near you.

Then perhaps you could tell us where she buys her litters from, and what kind of breeders they are.

Contrary to what the public might think, anyone can set up and run a dog training business,the lack of regulation in the industry, allows many people to call themselves trainers (or behaviorists) many with no education or experience whatsoever, they simply advertise that they offer dog training services.

Anyone who breeds a litter of puppies is classed as a breeder.

Quite frankly a small breed specialist told me otherwise. Said a lot of male frenchies are often above akc breed standard. Show standards and pet standards for weight can be differenShow breeders breed for flat face(breathing problems,) also everyone in my area breeds for the blues, and the lilacs, which are just more prone to health issues. You’re very lucky your not from around where I am. Even people from Canada 8-12 hours away come to this lady for their frenchies.

All her trained dogs are akc’d and she wins a lot of competitions up here for her dogs. She doesn’t just call herself a trainer, she supplies all of the surrounding towns police forces with their k9s, all trained from puppies to about a year old. Her husband shows his American Bully. I have full faith in these humans for taking care of there dogs. They even take their horses to competition. Her main shepherd took the USCA GSD nation championship.

SIGH

Thanks for being one of the only people to answer the only question I had. Instead people jump the gun and just say not purebred, unusually large and deformed.