Kennel Club? Discussions

Oh right didnt know that i thought it was 1 litter a year for kc.
To be fair most responsible breeders that health test will probable kc register but the health test and condition of parents and the feel i get from breeder are higher on my list than the registration its self. I wouldnt take a dog without the health testing but i would take a dog without the kc reg. Responsible breeders wouldnt over breed their dogs and i think if you know what to ask and look for you can soon sort the wheat from chaff or should i say chav.

I did say a bitch was capable of two litters a year. Not that it was acceptable.
If pedigree puppies from registered parents are not themselves registered, there will always be a dodgy reason for it, whatever you are told.
What genuine reason could there be for not registering them.?

The general public just doesn't care though, they want a puppy and they want it now and the cheaper the better. They wouldn't dream of being on a waiting list for 2 years and still end up disappointed. You even hear things like kc dogs are not as healthy, the same as people claim all cross breeds are healthier. The public will never refuse to buy unregistered puppies and it's their choice, their money so their decision. KC registration per se means nothing unless the breeder is trustworthy, just because it says the dam is a particular dog doesn't make it so. Breeders who overbreed a particular bitch can get around it by claiming the pups are from a different bitch. lol even if that bitch is spayed. There are no checks and there can't be any the whole thing is just too big and too lucrative to the unscrupulous.

In my breed it was an open secret [although never admitted] that at least two breeders were occasionally using Pugs as stud dogs for their Griffon bitches in order to produce stockier pups. They used to put the name of their Griffon stud dog down as sire when registering the pups.

The pups were always sold as "pet only" to try and make sure that none ever entered the show ring, but now and then a red rough would be seen in the ring which was suspiciously on the blonde side of red.

I don`t understand the logic of what you said to be honest (not being argumentative) but surely if health testing is top of your list, the only guarantee of this is from KC registered parents of your pup.

With a KC registered litter not only will the parents of your pup have health records but you will be able to look up any health records of their parents and so on........if you buy from unregistered parents, then you only have the word of the breeder that what she/he tells you is the truth, and you will have no way of checking further linage of health.

There is no excuse NOT to register a litter, if they don`t there is usually a reason .

I agree condition of dogs , temperament and liking the breeder will play a huge part, but if health is a major concern , ignoring KC registration is not going to give you that comfort you looking for .

I dont mean i dont want a kc reg pup just that its 4th on my list of prioritys. As i said i expect most breeders that health test will more than likely kc reg the pups but it wouldnt put me off if they hadnt aslong as i was happy with the other stuff

And sadly as long as that attitude is around it is never going to change.

You see it all the time, a KC registered litter is advertised, parents health screened, and pups registered....price £800, another litter same breed, no KC registration (lots of excuses) £500... you can guarantee plenty of people will go for the cheaper option because they only want a pet (never understand that logic).

All the education in the world will not stop the above , no matter how much you try to tell folk how to buy a healthy pup, money and impatience will override anything else.

I understood what you meant , but i still don`t understand it, it should be up there at the top not at the bottom, because all the rest cant be backed up without it .

So dogs that dont get registered cant be health tested or have decent owners? well thats handy to know

It's not that they can't but the chances are they won't be health tested. If they'r going to go to the trouble of health testing why wouldn't they register the pups, unless of course they can't. Of course they can still have decent owners I don't see how the two are related tbh.

Not sure where that came from, no one said anything about decent owners, the two are not related.

Of cause unregistered dogs can be healthy, I did not imply that at all, my point is that the KC database is the ONLY official register that PROVES the health of the dogs in question is TRUE.

It can be backed up by an official register.

Anyone can health test their dogs, and plenty of breeders of unrecognized breeds do so, they may have their own registry that collects the data.

But this thread is about the KC and pedigree dogs ,

The KC health register is the ONLY GUARANTEE of a purebreds linage which includes health testing and heritage.

well there is clearly more to it than i undertstand. All i was saying is that i wouldnt be that bothered if a dog wasnt registered as long as it was healthy from healthy parents and bred responsibly by a knowledgeable person. Maybe its not that important to me as i have no interest in ever showing or weather the parents won a show. I understand it can be helpfull to know the health of generations past but even so thats no guarantee. Ive spent hours on frenchie club and read all the health test results on there and all their information on what i need to look for and questions i need to ask. Dont seam to have any joy speaking to an actual person though so not striking me as a friendly bunch. would seam i have a lot more to learn than i thought before i can start looking for a dog

Only my previous puppies I got from a breeder were KC registered, as the Dam & Shire were show ring dogs, as for my previous rescued pedigrees dogs who knows if they were KC registered, all my JRT's including Ruby the pup I gave to family friend have been AKC registered, but this was because both breeders I got K9 & Skye from asked me to keep the generation tree going.

No doubt there are KC registered dogs in every rescue home across the whole UK.

My GSD have always been KC registered and my collies ISDS registered as I like to know the lineage of my dogs.