Irish Staffordshire terrier facts vrs myths Discussions

What you fail to understand is, that this is an open forum for anyone who has a view to be able to post.

It is not exclusive to one or two people.

Something else that you need to understand.. all views are valid regardless you feeling they may be clueless :? "

That being said have you read any of this thread? i suggest you go back and this time read it real slow for complete comprehension there are parts that will inform you as to were and what isbt are made up of and what they were used for and so on,IT doesn't appear that you class any of that as valid opinions otherwise you would not keep banging on about sht you know nothing about,i suggest a colonical irrigation maybe the way forward for you

You are demonstrating incredible rudeness and ignorance, perhaps a more civil tone would mean a better conversation? Are you an adult?

oh heck I`ll be glad when the schools go back.

Beat me to it Bd.

I'm still however curious as to what this person conciders to be a propper dog.

After reading this thread, I've come to the conclusion that if there is such a thing as an Irish staff, it isn't a seperate breed, just a specific line of sbt's that maybe recognised by certain appearance trates, or working ability.

However, in today's society, the term irish staff, is most commonly associated with pitbull types illegaly imported/bred in the uk, and as I've already said, this has been my experience with the irish type.

they are a seperate type /strain as the gameness and working ability in show bred stuff is nearly all but gone and some people like to have a working terrier but hey what would i know,Also if you knew what you was on about this whole irish thing came about a daily telegraph report in 2002 as it was a stunt employed to sell papers and mis inform the general public also they said the psycho bred dogs were apbt and irish was a code name for them as for irish types most will know they are down from show stock sent back to england i think people have been watching to much bbc anyhow a proper dog is a dog that still has the fire inside and can work the fields as the breed was intended not a fat squat dog that is a shadow of its former self even the guys who registered the breed didnt like what had happened to these dogs i think joe mallan described them as hippos and a shadow of there former self and im glad there are people out there trying to breed the dogs how they should just like the british bulldogs there are alternative healthy bulldogs that have become popular

It seems you have not taken any advice on the way we do things here.

All that seems to come from your mouth is

For a 35 yr old, you dont show much maturity now do you

Work the fields as in what capasity??

A proper dog is one with 4 legs a tail ,nose, and barks.

It may escape your notice but dogs mean different things to different people, some are bred to work, some are bred to be nothing more than pets... who are you to say those that dont have the drive to work or fight are not proper dogs.

Does that mean all the therapy / assistance dogs dont deserve to be called proper dogs because they are not bred to rip each other to pieces.

Regardless the origins of the thread, the fact you seem to being ignoring is.. that ISBT are a euphemism for illegal dogs , here in the UK.

I'll second that. Not everyone WANTS a tenacious working dog. Not everyone wants a dog that will challenge other dogs. I certainly don't. I like mine cuddly and mellow and would challenge you to come see my dogs and tell me they are not 'proper' dogs.

No im on about a stafford do you own one???Also you will find that irish stafford is not a word for illegal dogs here in the uk i think you will find its a term coined by the press and dodgy back yard breeders it was a term used in the 50,60,and 70s by english and irish stafford fanciers to distinguish between the working lines and the show bred stuff and you have just answered the question irish staffords were bred to work kc dogs pets, field sports (rabbiting and vermin control)and we are not on about dog fighting and if you had understood the previous post you would of realised we were on about staffords as i did metion the forefathers of our breed why get involved in a post if you dont own or have a clue about the breed but what you read and hear in the news???????

Also please note if it is a working dog it doesnt make it a raging loon that wants a tear up with every dog this is another gullible misconception by ill informed people who have been brain washed by the press in fact my dogs will walk off leads bother no dogs and when i see a dog mine will go back on the lead mine also dont eat kids and its always these other peoples dogs(haters) that try to get your dog to rise to the challenge so they can scream its a evil dog you shouldnt have them they are evil.

Also for thr record mine are kept with young children and well socialised so stick that in your pipe and smoke it;-)

I ALSO THINK THIS POST HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY PEOPLE THAT HATE THE BREED

What "work" do your dogs do longford? Im assuming you dont mean running, weight pulling and hanging off tyres? Thats fun not work.

oops sorry, is this thread only for Staffie and Pit Bull owners? I thought this was a dog forum, not a bull breed forum.

The fact is, whether the term Irish Staff has been around for many years or not, it is used as a name for leggy Staffs and Illegal pit bull types. ISBT is an unrecognised breed. The term is also used by byb to sell blue specimens.

touchy aren't we? Many Staffs do challenge other dogs frequently. They are known to be quarrelsome with other dogs, as you keep pointing out that's what they were bred for! I don't hate the breed. I don't hate any breed. I don't always like the idiot on the other end of the lead though. Who said your dogs aren't well socialised? I think maybe some of the people in this thread need some social skills.

Most dogs today are never going to do the job they were bred for, in some cases, because the job the dog would have done, no longer requires a dog. So, is it fair then to breed a dog with high drive working ability, that will never get to work like it was meant to. Most people just have pets these days, so dogs, wether you like it or not, are more likely to be bred for that purpose. 2 of my labs, are from working lines, so in theory, they should be able to do their intended jobs, and believe me, if I could drive, I'd have trained them, and would be taking them to field trials etc. My third lab, does a job, he's an assistance dog, so I know he can work.

I will agree however, that some breeds used to look a lot better years ago like the bulldog, and I really like the new healthier/recreations being bred.

So what work do your dogs do then?.

So you have a book with some pedigrees in - how does that relate to today's dogs? Who keeps the records? This thread is really not very informative. What 'work' do these 'real deal' working stock dogs do?

Also, what does 'bred like a science mean'?

And what breed is that then..???


Staffies, the real ones, ermmm no, I love the breed, I know to many to not like them.

Illegal pit types , ISBT no again, dont hate them but do hate the kind of person and their reasons for breeding these dogs.

Cant hate any dog, after all its not their fault they are bred for and by unreasonables.

Yes, but it seems those of us who understand this have an ulterior motive... we hate the breed!!!!!!

Would be interesting to know the answer to that one.

Mmmmmm, breeding like a science is the sole reason why the breed has survived.

Now, one wonders, why all other breeds have managed to do the same...

Exactly, one does not have to own a Staffie, (kc reg) to understand the breed, or the euphemism of the term IRISH..

A Staffie bull terrier is jus that a SBT.. there is NO recognised different strain to the breed.. or at least I have not seen it written down in the breeds guidelines.

Its like saying the Boxer, is a breed, but has a strain of Irish in it.. more leggy, longer nose, more worklike, (with a little x bred in there) but we know call it a Irish Boxer :?

Longford, do you post in forums, dog related or not, in threads where you do not know the subject matter inside and out, I would hope not, as that would make you a hypocrit.

Do I hate staffy's, without meaning offence, that has to be one of the most ridiculas questions I've had to answer, of course not. I don't think anyone on here hates any breed, just some of their owners maybe.

I've never personally met a human agressive staffy, I've met some dog agressive ones, but I just put that down to how they've been socialised or just personality.