Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier Discussions

hello, i am very new to all this so dont blame me if i have no idea what im on about i already have an irsh staff crossed with a mordern day one. he is beautiful, however i found another lil ikc registered irish staff....but they dont look like they r irish staffs, just wondering can they b ikc reg if one of the parents isnt a full irish staff.....ALSO by asbt do u mean a mordern day 1? ALSO can i register the ikc pup n e where else once proven ikc? i have MANY more questions to ask......but ill save that for another time!

Hi & Welcome,

Regarding your questions, I really don’t know too much about the IKC but as far as I am aware the IKC is a registry for all bull breeds (staffs, bulldogs, am bulldogs, English bulls etc) not just Irish bred Staffords, so you could have any bull cross and they would register them. I don’t know what you mean about registering the pup elsewhere when it is proven IKC. The IKC is just a registry, it doesn’t really stand for much else, it enables you to show your dogs in the shows that they hold each year but apart from that its just a piece of paper really, it doesn’t automatically give you authority to register your dog with other registries if you understand what I mean.

There are a few other registries around, the SIBTC in Liverpool is an Irish Stafford registry but both parents need to be Irish bred and have to be registered before a pup can be so, there is the UNKC I don’t know much about them, the DLRC again don’t know much about them and obviously the Kennel Club which will only register pups from registered parents, unless you decide to falsify papers lol. There will be many more but to be honest its just really paying for a fancy pedigree and a piece of paper as long as your happy with what you have that’s the most important thing.

Would love to see some pictures of your dog, what bloodlines is the Irish bred dog from & the top/bottom half of the Irish/KC staff?

Laura

hellooo again, thanx for replying so quickly, well...u see i know nothing bout registering or bloodlines or n e thing, this pup im interested in her parents r ikc reg. one one from pyscho bloodlines....i dont actually know what that means, id really like to forward an email, cos i dont know what im on about! and also prices, u see i want another pup, but would like to breed her just the once. also i read an article and hear irish staffs r actually apbt bred for fighting or something, and i have NOOOOO idea how to post a pic...read the step by step but still a tad confused! lol

thanx laura

omg hes gorgoeus!!!

ok ok....im REAL confused now, i just read an article which sed Irish staffs are different to Old tyme staffs... n e one know whos what and what what, cos somewhere else sed irish staffs are apbt. also just cos they r ikc reg....does that mean they r a good specimen? cos this pups (the 1 im interested in) mum has pointy ears, and i thought that was a no no in the breed spec.
and Craig....i saw ur dogs dad photo on the Ed Reid website... this is the website my pos soon to be pup's parents are reg with...does that sound right to u? cheers again, and thanx for being so patient with moi!

there are a diffrence betwen the breeds of staffs a good web page to go to is cosmos staffords they have picture gallarys that have old type an irish and kc they also have a few litters of pups addvertised at the mo some nice dog there

thanx for the help craig, i see ur previous pic on ed reids site, was he registered with him? does that even make n e sense? lol if n e one would help moi, id like to send em an email of the pups/pedigree and stuff i recieved from a lady i may purchase a pooch off. but i dont know what im talking about, i know its not nes. the breed and spec its they a pet....but still i dont want to b £500 out of pocket for something i didnt ask for. thnaxxxxx again! the pups r luuuuurvly on cosmos staffords....i may inquire further...

aye irish eyes £500 is alot for a pup from what i see they usually go around £350 - £450 i paid £400 for mine and the blues usually cost more but in saying that iv seen pups for sale in the exchang and mart at £1000 for a blue one ,but like you said its not the price but the pet .

A staff is a staff, whether people like to call them Old Tyme or Irish they are just basically sporting Staffords (or were should I say) people like to use the term to differentiate between the modern day KC show bred stuff and the more athletic “Old Tyme” dogs. I wouldn’t read into it all too much, basically the Irish term came about because many of the dogs of the founding strains were imported from Ireland. There are three main strains “Dublin Red” “Flynn” and “Psycho” and one so called “Stormer” line which is in doubt a little because Stormer was only bred once to an APBT bitch so whether him being in a pedigree once constitutes a line is a bit dubious, also the man who started this line was well known to have falsified pedigrees but again you can find information like this readily available on the internet.

People will tell you that the term “Irish” is just a pseudonym for the APBT, they are wrong some people will use this term when talking about their APBT but they are idiots the Irish bred Staffs are a mix of bull and terriers (mainly EBT and SBT) nowadays bred like to like and type to type so don’t worry too much what people say just do as much research as you can. Why do you want to breed? I ask because there are so many Staffs out there in homes and so many people breeding for the sake of breeding that cant be a good thing, I would say a good reason for breeding is to improve the gene pool and to better what you already have, if you think you can do this then ok but if you want another pup or just want to breed because you have a bitch and a dog then I would advise against this. Sorry its so long winded lol.



One quick note dont be fooled into paying extra for blue or one of the other colours that are in vogue, a good dog is a good dog regardless of colour and I find it a joke that people see fit to charge often up to £300 for a blue pup than the rest of the litter which may be, say for instance, black. The blue dog costs the same as the red dog does to breed and raise, it doesnt have any beter chance of becoming a good dog than other colours so I cant see the justification in the high price tag, imo if people start charging over the odds for "rare" lol blue dogs or whatever colour (this isnt a dig at the blues in any way) then they are peddlars pure and simple, if people dont care about money they wont care what they charge! I personally wouldnt pay more than £300 unless I was getting something really special for that price.

well said Laura !! i totally agree about the pricing for colour, but could not have put it as well as you did !!

i agree with you laura the bloke that i got my dogs off his pups were all the one price regardless of colour but people that have seen addvertising them seem to be doing it,its not the colour that makes the dog i agree

This is the email i recieved from the puppy owner, i contacted ed reid to see if i could get n e bloodline info, and also the mother staffie has pointy ears and taller, however the dad looks like a kc reg. ed reid sed they do register the Irish and KC cross...but i dont know if this is what the owners r doing as they wont give me a straight answer.....to be honest i was really after a b/w KC reg staff. but came across this beautiful pup so enquired, and as my luuurvly Winston is half Irish v handsome, i tought why not. The reason i would breed is because i have always been told u should breed the bitch at least once to avoid health probs. really wanted a reg one, as a garantee and also i would liek to show her.

THE EMAIL: Our dogs are Intercontinental Kennel Club registered as they are Irish staffys. they are registered with Ed Reid at www.edreid.co.uk
The champagne dogs sometimes have blue faces but we wont know this time until they are born!!
and not all the blues have a bit of brindle in them.
We are not open to offers on the price as our pups sell very quickly as they are rare in colour and the pedigree is of champion psycho bloodlines and proof of this is in the 5 generation of papers that we show all our buyers of the pups.
A deposit of £100 secures a pup and we send a reciept to you straight away.
We do this as we have had alot of messers and time wasters in the past.




THANX for all ur helps peeps xxxxxxxxxxxx

Hi Again,

If you are happy with your pup then thats all that matters, KC or any type of registration is no guarantee that your pup will be better than the next, its just really a piece of paper telling you what you already know, obviously if you wanted a pup for showing in KC shows then that is a slightly different matter. As far as I know you will be able to show your dog in Ed Reids shows and the Mast1ni Bull Breed bash all of which hold two or three shows a year with a huge turn out of all kinds of bull breeds

If you are interested in a KC registered pup then your best bet would be to contact the Kennel Club and ask them for a list of breeders in your area, usually they have quite a few Stafford breeders in their books. They should then send you out a leaflet of breeders with pups (details of how many/sex etc) or up coming litters.

Laura

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thank u for helping me, i know im a pain in the bum with all my random questions, i know its the pet that matter and not nec. the pedigree, but money has alot to do with it too, as i cant afford to be spending £500 (thats what they're asking) for a pup the are saying is pure this and pure that, when it could be a cross. i also contacted edReid and he sed that he does register the Irish Staff X 'standard' staffie pups, which is wat i think they might be, i asked them about this, and they sed they would tell me wen i go see them...but thats 3 hours away from me, which is along way to go for some1 to confuse u!! lol id liek to sed u the pics i got from the owners and let u see what u think laura, i am VERY VERY grateful for ur time helping me...the bimbo! lol

its nice to see you taking so much time and effort looking into what you are buying IrishEyes

Wee Question Laura in an earlier post u said u wouldnt pay £300 for a pup unless u were getting somthing special...in ur opinion what would justify this price ?

actually good point Tusker, as i live in Surrey, anyone selling a pup with even a bit of staffie in them generally start at 400. i mean i have seen some cheaper(300-350), but they are either miles away or no proof of pedigree. generally in my area (anywhere within a couple of hours) the price starts at 400, or if they are ikc reg or kc reg they are usually 500-650 which is WAY out of my price range....so n e suggestions on how to solve the problem? lol

oh, sorry, forgot to add, the blue ones are generally the top of that price range, and my mum's side of the family live in ireland so i got her to ask me uncle, who is a dog person, about the irish staff, and prices over there....and apparently they are stupidly expensive as there is so few of them, cos everyone from here (uk) keeps buying them. i have been contacting breeders...not from papers, about kc reg irish staffs, and their prices start around 500. Laura you cant happen to point me in the direction of respectable breeders of the Irish staff in the London area at all...i know u live MILES from there but ya never know xxx

Irish Eyes try this link http://www.cosmos-staffords.co.uk/ m8, they'r down near u, and theyr nice folk