If NI are so unhealthy................... Discussions

So, for the purpose of discussion...would you consider them a spitz-type?

They can always occasionally crop up Jem, like the long haired Rottwiler for example. The reason they very rarely appear is due to careful breeding, you dont breed from a long coat, mate it to a short coat and "think" that will cure the problem, it wont! You wouldnt mate a patchy/black and tan bitch or dog (NI now) to a correct coloured one, this wont solve the problem either, it just passes the gene onto the next generation. JK said that you need to know your lines, well if thats correct, why then are we seeing patchy animals bred from her lines, doesnt she know her lines? Thats NOT a go at her by the way, it just proves that its not a case of "thinking" you know your lines, its pure genetics!

Yep, I agree there's definately GSD in them, but as I said in the main they seem to have Northern breeds in them.

The French poodle apparently started in Germany, with some Russian influence, then went to France. By those standards it should be called a European poodle.

Or even our great British bulldog, originally came from the Alaunt breed from Iran if I remember rightly.

Oh God, I knew I shouldn't have mentioned her. I should have known the reaction that would happen. What I am trying to say is that it doesn't really matter what people think, or even call them. The point is that they seem to be made up of mainly Northern breeds ergo they are a Northern breed in themselves. That they happen to be called Northern Inuits is either thought out, or a coincidence.

JK says she has bred from patchy bitches but not had any patchy pups for years??

In the case of the long coat gene for Mals..both dogs have to be carriers of the gene to make a long coat pup..so some of Cruisers siblings will be carriers..but now we have the test in place the good breeders will know what dogs are what within their dogs

Aye, in my opinion I'd say they they were. If you accept that they are a breed, then they I'd say they were of that family, as that seems to be the main makeup of them. I think, and I could be wrong, but the main trait of the spitz family is the curly (of varying degrees) tail.

Says who though?? the people that own them?? the people that breed them??

That doens't make them a northern breed.. they need to be a breed first before they can be a northern breed..

Well in that case you are WAAAYAYYYY wrong..given that the Standard for NI says that curly tails are a fault!!!

Thanks hun, either im geting the hang of it all or your explaining it very well

the major features that need to be are the pointed ears and muzzle, a thick coat, and a strong body build....curly tails are the majority, but not all of them have it, just like white coats are typical for most breeds in the group, but that doesn't mean that all of them have white coats.

Oh sorry she didnt breed the dog herself, she just bred the bitch its out of, the grandfather and the mother of the grandmother.

Ahh, well you said she had a vision of what she wanted them to look like, I believe and she fairly clearly stated, her vision was money, thats why I responded as you did specifically mention her.

I can see this just isn't going anywhere, except in circles. If a few people get together with similar type dogs and decide to call it a breed, and they try to make them into a standard. Then that's a breed, whether you like it or not.

I believe the tails are supposed to be curled when they are excited, or happy.

Hi Min, why do you put a smile after my u/n?

But what happens when the standard allows the variations?

I really wish I hadn't mentioned her now

Even so, she still must have had a vision of what she wanted them to look like, irrespective of any other motivation?

Standard states its a fault so I would think not!

Either that or they aren't allowed to be happy or excited

Fabulous..so a few people can just decided whats what and thats that