If NI are so unhealthy................... Discussions

I agree...

maybe we should poll it and see what everyone else thinks

I would call it a Mal x husky!!! or a cross of 2 nothern breeds

An NI is a crossbreed of dubious parentage..or a Mal x husky x gsd

Sooo.. they are suddenly sled dogs, suddenly northern and suddenly working dogs..just because people say so

Thanks! That makes more sense.

So crossing to include CWD/Sarloos is in fact cross-breeding, not outcrossing as keeps being claimed.

Yes cross breeding. When we mate "Tarra" we will outcross to a completely unrelated male this time, whereas before we tended to line breed. When you use different breeds you are cross breeding and producing "Crossbreeds"

Cross Breed/ing.

So by that reckoning both the Mal and Sibe are something-wolf crosses?

I'm not saying they are Northern because people say so. I'm saying they should be classed as Northern because they are made up of Northern dogs in the main. Therefore the name Northern is appropriate.

Despite your obvious dislike of them, they are a breed, maybe not a universally recognised breed, but a breed none-the-less. Someone deliberately set out to create a breed, not just haphazardly crossing dogs. It's the same with the newer designer breeds, labradoodles etc. You may not agree with them, but they are breeds, not just crosses.

this time thought you didn't breed Dawn ?

So to a dummy like me outcrossing is a different line of the same breed?
I understand cross breeding n kinda understand linebreeding when its needed.

Did you?

Yes Jem, you got it!!

Ignore this hun, I've just seen you've made your post a bit simplier (sp) so i understand it now x

Honest question BD, when does a crossbreed become a 'real' breed? For instance when did the King Charles stop becoming a cross KCS and pug, Japanese Chin, and bulldog?

I'd imagine when all the dogs had type and you could see exactly what they were.

I don't dislike the dogs..I dislike the muppets that have made a mess of breeding them..and continue to do so..

As for the bit in bold..well really??? thats a new one.. if they really set out to create a breed and it was not done haphazardly..where is all the carefully collected data and recording??

They aren't breeds..they are crosses!!

Id say when all records had been authenicated and varified, the breed bred true every time, a type, temperament and a dog of set conformation was achieved, along with all the relevant health testing (nowadays) information ensuring everything was done to produce a healthy animal while maintaining the standard that was to be bred to.

The problem with outcrossing in NI is that you virtually can't as they are all Mahlek lines!!!!

There's a difference between crossing any old dog, and crossing one with specific looks/temperament. This is sightly different to whether they kept records or not. Whatever anyone says about JK she obviously had a vision of what she was trying to produce. The fact that the records seem to be a bit of a mess isn't really relevant in this context.

So, going back to King Charles Spaniels. When in the mists of time they took a recognised one and crossed it with other breeds, did it stop being a KCS? I don't think so, they just kept crossing it until it looked like there vision of what they wanted. Even when crossed with bulldogs etc.

Slightly off topic i know but it may be kinda relevant but when do throw backs in litters stop happening as in how many generations?x

Thank You Mini..

There are more NI that look like GSD than any Northern Breed..
They may have Mal/sibe colouring but they look like GSD..

How can you say they didn't cross any old dog when the ones they used were mixed breed STRAYS!!! where is the sense in that

Her only vision was money. She told the whole world that on TV! She also told us they were Wolf Hybrids, NO mention of NI at all whatsoever, until she was investigated by DEFRA, for keeping Wolf ybrids, then they morphed into another breed!! So, was she lying about the Wolf bit to procure a higher sum of money, by doing so conning people into think they had bought something in which fact they hadnt, or had she kept all these "NI's" up her sleeve just waiting to "announce" them after all the Wolf crosses had gone? Either way one of the founder NI stud dogs was sitting at her side in the TV interview, he was identified as "Kyle" a Wolf Hybrid!