Hollywood :-( (kirsten stewarts mum) General Chat

how old is the csv?.

kent..crossing of wolves?...old news lol.

Over a year but not by much, owner didn't go into details. I don't even know if the dog is pure csv. Thats just what he reffered to the dog as.

Is the kent guy doing it then? How are the results working out?

Adam

Csv was stunning!!!

Super drivy and very trainable. Somewhere between malinois and husky in temp I felt.

Very quick easy training and very good result, off lead and dog social in three hours.

Adam

yip thats how i describe them too

re the dog social... how old is he?
and what did you do in the '3 hours'

He is 18 months.

In the three hours (well three sessions a week apart) I did the following.

1st
Intro e collar and taught recall using toy as reward.

2nd
Intro other dogs as distraction and continued the recall training, also let off with other dogs towards the end (my dogs)

3rd
Continued off lead with my dogs then took to an off lead area and mixed with other dogs.
Practised recall as well.

Adam

..ok adam ive tried to be polite ;-)

why on earth use a e-collar for basic commands?
where do you go when things get worse :-(

mind u im more angry at the owners for getting a specialist breed and then not being able to deal with it,that and allowing a 'pretend trainer' loose with their dog and using an e-collar.:-(

... the csv will prob get the last laugh.... an 18month male is a very different kettle of fish than a mature 3 year old.

This is what I can never understand

THis is a common misconception of e collars. That they are better used as a last resort than as a basic training aid.
For starters normal training hadn't worked with this dog as he didn't have a reliable recall and they had been using food/toys and lines for months in fact roughly a year.
2ndly if the dog has a problem (dog aggression for example) the basic training is how you deal with that (incompatible behaviours ect) so the dog needs an understanding of the e collar for this before you train for the behaviour problem.
As an example when we let him mix with mine he got aggressive a couple of times, this was easily countered by calling him and enforcing with the e collar. He immediatly learned that of he felt the need to be aggressive he would be recalled anyway so why not recall straight away.
Interestingly in the final session he met a large entire male mastiff who immediatly hackled up and started posturing to him. Without any instruction from us he turned away and came back. Csv is entire too.

By the way he had previously fought with other dogs when on a long line (mostly entire males).

I've pointed out to the owner he will change as he matures and if they need it I'll go back. I've also discussed neutering but don't think its needed in this case.

Adam

..... buying a known same sex dog aggro breed... then try and change it...priceless!!!

Tbh I don't see the problem. Dogs need to be social with other dogs to have any kind of life (especialy city dogs) and he now is. His aggression was of the pushy male variety not seriouse at all. Once he knew we wouldn't tolerate it and that he had to come back when called he realised how much fun other dogs were and settled down rapidly.

I personnaly beieve the more people polarise breeds with statements such as yours the more open they make them to bsl.

Adam

So you had a young male CWD that was just being a bit of a teenage boy and stuck an e-collar on him! And people not only let you do this put paid you?

u make me laugh(either that or id cry) and u know anything about the breed?
never had a problem with recal and my csv
my csv come to work with me,lives in london and frequents 'parks' and also lives with 5 other males lol.... think i have more knowledge and experience with this breed than u ever will!
throw that one in to try and make me look like the bad guy lol..... of course you know more about csv's than people that live with and breed em..course u do...come play with my csv without your toolbox...it would be funny.
to be fair......if idiots keep getting csv's they will prob be banned.

He wasn't recalling (even on line) and if another dog approached him he'd bark lunge and if he made contact fight it.
I find alot of under exercised under socilised males do this so don't count it as serious aggression.
However his owners clearly found owning him when he was like this very stressful and I doubt he enjoyed it much either.
Yes I could have messed about for months with food treats and long line training or could have fixed it up in a few sessions and radicaly improved his and there lives.

Btw it would make more financial sense to do the former wouldn't it? Except I care about the dogs welfare.

I don't doubt you know more about csv than me, tbh I have little interest in them except training them, yes their pretty and fun but so is a collie. I'm pleased Tupac is good. What you need to remember is for whatever reason Frankie wasn't, he now is that is what matters.

Adam

exactly... obviously did no research before buying...and wants an easy fix... should of got a 'cuddly toy wolf' im sure keel toys do em ;-)

They'd done the research, they thought they'd be able to handle it with normal training methods. These proved infeffective hence me and the collar.

Btw Tupac, what would you have done with him?

Adam

did i say he was ;-)

lol, you need an e collar

Hummm so subtext man says

'they hopped about trying different things for all of 5 mins before deciding it didnt work, well thats how long it takes on the telly. Tried the CM alhpa roll which also didnt work and rather then taking the time to work with him went for a quick fix.'

Personally i would have worked on a line with dogs known to be good (maybe bitches to start with) and clicker trainning using positive reinforcement. Meeting other dogs should be a good fun thing not scary or something to be zapped for.

'interesting' thread!