Gsd X Sarloos? General Chat

I agree, great attitude from the owner in muzzling him, definitely a responsible owner.

It really wasn't just play when this dog leaped up and placed his paws on my dog's back - I recognise that some dogs do this in play and I've seen it numerous times at the park.

This dog had an intensity to him though and he was not playful.

Dexter regularly plays with two GSDs at our local park. All I can say is that the dog yesterday, the GSD X SARLOOS didn't seem playful in the same way - but I do take on board the comments on this thread and may simply be that I am not used to dogs of this size as the dog yesterday was HUGE.

He came up to me at one point and slapped me with his head but that DID seem playful

He was probably trying to get his muzzle off...........

Aye, Cain's mastered the muzzle slap Anyones legs are fair game and he'll rub his muzzle against them. He also used to do thr whole paws on the back thing in play, it was quite rude and quite German Shepherdy. Interestingly he hasn't done it once off lead at his class. I do know what you mean about the not play version though. The playful paw slap tends to be quite full on and wriggly. I've seen other dogs jump on another dogs back and just stand there, still as anything. This seems quite challenging, inevitably p*sses off the bottom dog and always results in a scrap if the dogs aren't called apart quick enoug.

We switched to softer plastic greyhound muzzles after sustaing some serious bruising!!!

yep, I'd say that too, sometimes its play but there are times when it does come across as a challenge and end in a bit of a scuffle! I think its the whole dog you need to look at rather than just the action if that makes sense?

There are dogs that approach very 'stiff' tail high, looking out the side of the eye, head over the shoulders, then the paws....thats the ones that dont get to meet Loui now


yet with his 'pals' where they are all 'wriggly' etc and put paws on - they have a good play, usually they do it, he does it, chasing....

The Saarloos is a GSD cross originally, so crossing back shouldn`t make that much difference, should it?

the percentage of wolf blood in these types of dog breed depends on how many generations away from pure wolf they are. take the csv for example - the last know injection of wolf blood into the breed was in the 1980's, and since then, the generations have been bred with the gsd and the percentage has obviously decreased. DEFRA take the viewpoint based on generations removed rather than percentage of wolf blood, as most KC recognised dogs will have a percentage that may be deemed as "unsafe", as all domesticated dogs are descended from wolves.

and as for the body language the dog was showing, the saarloos tends to have more "wolfy" traits, and the paw slapping may have come from that side of the dogs ancestory

nah!! id say its gsd and a big dog with big paws traits lol.

haha i stand corrected

lol I'd say just a big dog with big play trait ;-)

When Loui was a pup he was all paws He did have to learn that he couldnt do that all the time as some dogs were a bit on the small side! or just not as strong, so sometimes I had to take him away when it started and then back to play....pretty much just a puppy thing I suppose.

Sometimes even now though he will 'bat me' with a paw to play

I would like to thank Tupaca2legs for trying to explain this to me but I think we are confusing each other (or maybe not... I've sorta lost my train of thought with it).
I would just like to say that I am not against these breeds, or believe they shouldn't be pets or anything else.

Since the become a food item part was in bold I'm guessing your referring to that. Simply, I would imagine that a pack of wild wolves would typically think that a lone human wondering around was fair game and take a nice easy lunch, which would be the only way that IMO wolves should ideally live. Although I hear of lots of parks and reserves which now have wolves in fantastic habitats.
I do not even begin to think I know much about wolves, and believe I only just know enough to own an easy going dog. However I enjoy learning and find most animals very interesting. I think I mentioned that I went through a faze where I would have loved a wolf or hybrid and so tried to learn as much as possible about how a wolf acts/thinks/behaves but new research seems to counter that... anyway I digress.

On to trying to explain my OP on this topic.

When I went through my wanting a wolf faze I looked into owning a wolf hybrid and apparently DEFRA prevented (or at least limited) such a thing. I never heard/read or was aware of any dog which resembled a wolf (closest thing I knew was a husky or mall). To learn otherwise has just arose my curiosity and I hate to think that someone may have thought that I do not like/agree with these gorgeous breeds which have known recent (ish) wolf blood in. My only interest is how widely these breeds are accepted, and why oh why has no one told me they exist!
It made me chuckle that you are tying to explain they are domestic animals and pedigree breeds but ended with anymore!
What I was trying to get across was how much wolf blood was originally put into these dogs, and how does it effect their behaviour, or the impact they may have. Does the point they have recent (ish) wolf blood in and they are bred to resemble wolves have any impact on how DEFRA and other laws/governments or whatever view them?

I hope you understand now that I am not trying to argue against these breeds, I'm just curious as to how the laws regarding them works.

Seen a rottie do the paws on back a few times, most other dogs don't appreciate it but it seemed like play in that context. My staffy x is quite paws on with play, even when playing with a tug toy he will hold it in him mouth and try stand on your hands to get you to let go! Makes me laugh so he does it all the more.
But I have also seen some dogs do it in a not so playful way, and can get quite grumpy when the other dog doesn't just stand there and take it. Which for some littler dogs can be quite difficult. Also seen lots of little dogs put their paws on bigger dogs to try greet face to face! That makes me smile.
The dogs are probably the best to judge this situation, and if they aren't happy then it's time to step in.

Watch Boxers play and you see paws a plenty..

yip my guys love to play with boxing boxers

sarahjade........

Wolf-dog hybrids and the Dangerous Wild Animals Act 1976
Wolf-dog hybrids are not a true species but a hybrid of the domestic dog crossed with the wolf. These animals are required to be licensed under the Act. This is because the Schedule to the Act states any hybrid of a kind of mammal specified in the Schedule must be licensed; a wolf is a mammal specified in the Schedule as it is included in the listing of all species of Canidae (ie the dog family) and does not fall within the specified exemptions to this listing, unlike the Canis familiaris, the domestic dog (but not the Dingo, Canis familiaris dingo), raccoon dogs and foxes.

In addition, under the Act any animal with at least one parent as such a hybrid requires a licence. However, the second generation following a wolf/domestic dog hybrid does not require a licence if neither of its parents is a hybrid, as illustrated below.



Therefore, taking the example of Czechoslovakian Wolf Dogs, Sarloos or similar “wolf-dog hybrids”, where an animal is third generation, or further removed from the original wolf content, a licence is not required under the Act.

One of my Ute's uses a two pawed pounce to get his brother to chase him. It's meant completely in fun but having been on the receiving end from him I know it can hurt - 6 inch bruise worth of hurt!

Thanks for the image, that really helped clear it up in my head. I did read on wiki that a 3rd generation hybrid cross doesn't need a license and that's what threw me. That it simply said 3rd generation and no interest in the amount of wolf that had gone in. In reality you could easily create a 'pet dog' which had more wolf blood than dog, I am just curious about these things... Not really for or against, just curious.