Greyhound racing industry breeder disposes of puppies that wont chase! Controversial

I'm really not understanding why you're insisting on telling the anti-racing fraternity that they're influenced by 'propaganda'? Pretty much every link you could post on this subject is going to have an element of bias one way or another, so I don't think that's a valid reason to dismiss someone's argument. You're using a pejorative term, just to imply that these people are influenced by nothing more than spin.. I'm sure they're basing their opinions on evidence as much as you are yours.

Which is your local track? I will then ask folk I know who race there (if any) if they have experienced any problems and let you know. However taking into consideration points already made, such things are very difficult to prove, but most certainly go on.
Dawn.

I would have thought it was fairly obvious..... would you willingly volunteer the information, you are about to go into a field and dispose (kill) your dog with a shovel /gun , or what ever means he intended to use.. it a complete stranger

As he has found, it could be anyone from someone who is not mildly interested to someone like your vet, who has reported the incident!

These people are usually secretive over such practices.

Not wanting to be caught, red handed!!!

As Ive asked Dawn which tracks etc have you had experience of it being the other way with protestors attacking race goers? Ive done some searching but can find anything.

Surely you can ask your racing friends of their experiences regardless of which tracks they use if it is so prevelent.

What you mean like ignoring questions such as those below or why the NCC have not been happy to answer the questions asked?

A Fact you state 2,478 dogs ear marked dogs never made it to NGRC tracks.

How many of these where breed for coursing(Not so many in the future thanks to tree huggers)

How many went to the 16 + flapping tracks.

How many who never graded where re-homed.

How many who never graded where PTS.

So give me the facts - where are all the dogs?

Also why should these dogs be placed in rescue at all - what happened to the ethical breeders or owning a dog for life?

More propaganda from the RSCPA this time

RSPCA press release with additional information below concerning Rebecca’s relationship with the vile and repugnant greyhound racing industry.



Bans For Greyhound Suffering



Rebecca Hagger (20) and Rosemary Hagger (51) both received 10-year bans at Peterborough Magistrates Court on 28 April (200 after previously pleading guilty to causing unnecessary suffering to three greyhounds and failing to meet the welfare needs of another four greyhounds.



Rosemary Hagger was banned from keeping dogs for 10 years and her daughter Rebecca was banned from keeping all animals for 10 years. Rebecca was also ordered to do 200 hours of community service and Rosemary was given a 12-month conditional discharge. The pair from Edgerley Drain Road, Peterborough, were each ordered to pay £250 in costs.



The RSPCA was contacted in September 2007. Inspectors found three greyhounds which were emaciated and had infected sores, contrary to section 4 of the Animal Welfare Act, 2006. The remaining four were underweight and had flea infestations and were living in dirty conditions with no food or water available, contrary to section 9 of the Animal Welfare Act, 2006.



A vet estimated that two of the dogs had been made to suffer unnecessarily for at least two months and one dog for at least one month.



In mitigation the defendants said that the dogs had belonged to Rosemary's husband (Rebecca's father) who had passed away.



The court heard that both defendants had worked in the greyhound racing industry and decided to impose a ban, despite Rebecca still having a job in the industry.

RSPCA inspector Kat Parfitt said: "Animals deserve much better than the conditions these dogs were kept in and should have access to veterinary treatment when they need it.”



Above text taken from RSPCA Press release 8 May 2008



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Rebecca Hagger – licensed kennel hand, trainer and owner

Rebecca (known as Becky to her friends) Hagger was formerly a kennel hand for her father Frederick John Hagger; a trainer and owner attached to Peterborough greyhound stadium (one of 30 stadiums that come under the regulation of the National Greyhound Racing Club (NGRC)).

In 2007 Rebecca obtained a temporary trainers licence and was running the dogs at Peterborough stadium herself. It is reported that Rebecca shared ownership of the greyhounds with her father and was the sole owner after his death.
Racing Manager of Peterborough stadium Martin Race refused to say whether Rebecca was still allowed at the track and Noel Thompson representing the NGRC said: “As far as I am concerned if she is a licence holder or not has got nothing to do with matters has it?”

My racing friends have said they have seen protesters swearing, cursing and on two occasions seen race attenders being pushed and bullied by these people. This was at my local track, I asked you which yours was to see if I could help identify problems there for you, obviously you dont want to share that so thats fine by me. There was no reports made on the two occasions I speak of to the police as far as I know, and would anything of been done if it had been reported? doubt it! My local track is Monmore, I dont mind telling you that! I also have friends who train and own that run at Perry Barr, Coventry
and school at Warwick.

I am not making stories up Spot, I have heard many instances of aggressive behaviour by protestors, however I cannot find this on the internet for you! Its not all on there you know. There have been news stories too, but again I cant find them, the internet is a wonderful tool, but it isnt the be all and end all.

I don't know if people are secretive over such practices, as I am not familar with them it is disgusting and I would never have been in this situation, in the first place.

And I don't understand why you have to question my post in the first place.

And he isn't my vet.
He is DK's vet.

I have deleted the horrible cruel picture's of dogs drowned and dog's injured.







Greyhound racing

Posted in General news by Glô! on the May 8th, 2006

Every year in Britain and Ireland 40,000 greyhounds enter racing and a similar number end their racing lives.
Tens of thousands of greyhounds are disposed of by the greyhound racing industry every year.
Throughout their racing career, the dogs routinely endure inhumane conditions and have little human contact. Many greyhound farms are barely getting by financially, so the dogs are kept caged most of the time in crates or pens or in fenced enclosures and fed low quality foods. Each dog is a major expense, which is why so many are killed when they are deemed unfit to race.
Many of them end up like this. Tied to a lump of concrete and drowned.
The thousands of greyhounds that are surplus to the racing industry are more likely to end their days, not in front of a warm fire, but drowned, poisoned, beaten to death, starved, dumped on the streets or impounded and destroyed.
Greyhounds puppies are killed if they fail to reach standard. Around two thirds are deemed fit,
while the others will be put to death before they reach a year old.
Substantial numbers of greyhounds are exported to Spain for racing, hunting and coursing. Conditions in some Spanish kennels are appalling and many greyhounds are locked up 23 hours a day. They are as well sent to developing countries with appalling track conditions.
Hunters and courses often dispose of unwanted dogs by hanging and other horrifically cruel methods.

The racing industry also sells thousands of dogs considered unfit for racing to laboratories, which experiment on animals.
Because of their genetic purity, they are the research models of choice for heart and lung experiments.
Thus, greyhound racing functions not only as a “sport” and gambling enterprise, but as a breeding facility for cruel vivisection practices.

The killing will never stop until people realize that it is the ‘business’ of greyhound racing which fosters and perpetuates the cruelty, no matter how hard they try to separate themselves from it. And it’s just that simple. The cruelty will never end until greyhound racing is out of business.”
Gary E. Dungan,
Executive Director of The Humane Society of Tucson, Arizona


The natural life-span of a greyhound is about 14 years, but the lives of most of those in racing end at 2 years old.
Most greyhound owners and trainers, who are in the business to make a profit, are not prepared to pay the costs of allowing greyhounds to live out their natural lives.
There is just no way that good homes could ever be found for so many thousands of greyhounds every year. Greyhound racing inevitably leads to massive killing and suffering. The only real solution is its abolition.
Where does the greyhound racing industry get dogs?
Every year, the industry breeds tens of thousands of greyhounds, more than it can place at racetracks. This overbreeding is motivated by the desire to produce “winning” dogs.
Thousands of industry-bred puppies never make it to the track because they are deemed unsuitable for racing.


Greyhounds are not the only ones to suffer in races.

Each year, around 100 000 rabbits, cats, chickens and other small animals are used as live lure to teach young dogs to chase the artificial hare during the actual race.
They are usually killed by the dogs, but if they survive, they are then thrown to the dogs who tear them apart or are left to die on top of their dead and dying fellows.
For each dog, at least 5 animals, mostly rabbits are killed in training. Less aggressive dogs are often placed in cages with a rabbit or other animal and are not released or fed until the dog kills the animal.
Some industries representatives argue that this activity enhance the dog’s racing ability because they will develop a “taste for blood”. But greyhounds’ inclination to run is instigated by a moving object and not the scent of blood. (See Parliamentary Debates)


When people think about Greyhounds racing, they believe it is a family-orientated sport, that the greyhounds love running on the track and that racing is for their own good. But behind this image is a much darker one.
People just don’t seem to wonder what happens to all these dogs once they cannot race anymore. With 30,000 dogs entering the race every year, it should make people raise some questions. Where are these dogs retiring?
Greyhound racing has little to do with dogs and everything to do with money.This is an industry that places profits above the health and welfare of greyhounds.
How many times have we heard people saying “I know some people who raise dogs for the racing, they really love their dogs”, yes the dog might be “well taken care of” if he is a winner or has good capacities, but what happens when he starts to perform less well or gets badly injured?
“Trainers love their dogs”, is a
sentence constantly repeated, but when questioned about the dogs that are shipped off to China and Spain regularly there is no reply.

As a consequence to racing, The greyhounds suffer a wide range of injuries including foot pad abrasions,ligament strains, leg fractures,broken bones, broken toes, and their muzzles further prevent them from nibbling at insects that land on them and from licking their own sores. Less common afflictions include spinal injuries, seizures, and death from cardiac arrest.
The dogs are a commercial product, and once it is determined that they don’t have value as a racer at a track, their days are numbered.


- Do not attend greyhound racing and never bet on a greyhound race. Better still, boycott bookmakers altogether as many greyhounds tracks are owned by the betting industry.

- Write to your T.D. and newspaper letter’s pages to express your disgust at this so called sport. Ask newspaper not to cover greyhound racing on their sport’s pages.
- Educate your friends, family and co-workers about the realities
of greyhound racing, and encourage them to boycott greyhound racing and betting.
- Consider volunteering your time or expertise to a local greyhound protection organization.
- Collect signatures for our petition to abolish greyhound racing.
- Adopt a greyhound. They make wonderful companion animals. Just ask any of the thousands of people who have adopted retired racers. These dogs are affectionate, gentle and loyal. It might take some dogs a little longer to trust people because they simply haven’t had as much human contact as some other breeds of dogs have.
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Oh right so you've heard - and of course its only us antis, the government, the rspca etc etc who use propaganda and make it all up.

Why were they not reported? How do you know nothing would of happened if you dont report these things?

I must say that even one of the trainers at my local track has the protestors - whilst a nuisance they not aggresive or cause physical harm. Of course they are vocal - thats what protesting is about.

And yes Dawn Ive protested at Monmore, Perry Barr and Coventry - also when the circus was there, and the only reason the circus using animals was encouraged to pitch there was to get back at those against animal exploitation such as greyhound racing and circuses

Secretive !

If people were secretive about cruelty the RSPCA wouldnt exist as they would never catch anyone !

People are openly cruel all the time. AND there are plenty of people who talk/brag about kicking a puppy, drowning a kitten, etc.

Just yesterday I was at Bath Champ show, and as we were sat in the car, ready to leave a couple of women walked past us, out of the Show entrance with PRONG collars on their Dobes !!

Hardly secretive !

Your local track is????

Yes I have heard, and I know its true. It wasnt reported no, why? dont know, I would of done. like I say Spot, you cant prove everything via the net!

Dont like ciruses Spot, I had a word about the Circus at our arboretum, Bobby Roberts one, wasnt keen on what I saw there (didnt watch the acts, I mean beforehand) looks like they will be refused a lisence this time.

prong collars are not illegal, why would anyone want to hide one?

Secretive, yes Malady in many many instances, Dog fighting would be extict if this type of abuse was not secret and very very hidden.

Just because something isn't illegal, doesnt mean it's not cruel otherwise puppy farming would be outlawed !

Yes I agree with you, but secrecy is very much part of most things perceived as cruel, openess would result in exposure.

That's assuming all criminals and cruel people have the brains/common sense and sources to be secretive !

We all know/have seen someone who has been borderline cruel/stupid with animals etc, not everyone realises that what they do is genuinely wrong !

You are assuming that all cruel criminals are clever !

Well, the ones that dont get caught are, like the Dog Fighters etc.. Incredibly clever!

I agree with your other statements.
Dawn.

Of course, all criminals that dont get caught are either clever or lucky, but there are also dog fighters that have been caught and charged, so they aren't all that clever.

People may brag about all sorts of cruelty, after the event... but will deny the act , proving they did the deed will be the difficult part... as the RSPCA seem to find on a daily basis!!

But to brag before the act, is plain dumb, as this person hopefully has found out.

Why would they need to be secretive over that???

As although I have my own opinions on PRONG collars... their is a huge difference between using one on a dog and killing a dog up the field with a blunt instrument;-)

Cruelty means abuse, and as we know not ALL PF`s will be abusing their dogs... in the eyes of the law... if they are fed , watered, not kept in filth, the RSPCA will do little to act on what we deem as cruel.

True, but a bloke about to dispose of a dog in a field , surely knows he is doing wrong...

And this sort of cruelty is usually done in private, with no witnesses...

The last they will want is to be outed.