Do you think there is any Mal in the NI?? Controversial

Not necessarily ... There are some lines I would never touch as I don't like their temperaments. Yet saying that we do have lines that are known for producing dogs with good temperaments

I would say most well bred Mals don't go looking for trouble (that is not saying that they would back down if someone started on them though ... ). The other day our eldest boy wandered up to another adult male, they both had a couple of sniffs then wandered off again, these were dogs who have hardly met before (NOT that he was supposed to be off lead, but that is another story!).

Being a PAT dog doesn't necessarily mean they have a good temperament around all other dogs, I know a few I wouldn't trust who are registered PAT dogs.

Here are some piccies of Hal





and his last resting place :

This sounds like Tai and Hal before him. Hal would never ever start a fight, and for many years would not really fight back. However, in the latter part of his life he would. Tai again will never start a fight, but he will stand up for himself if attacked.

Hal looks like he was a lovely lad

Bedtime for me folks !

Patch, I am indebted to you ... thank you !

Now Hal & Tai are very pretty.. don't think they have as much chest as a Mal..or the same build to their legs but if NI all looked like them then I would see the attraction...

Very nice dogs..

I agree with GH..there are lines I woudln't even think about touching..

BUT I have marks on my right knee where a GSD bit me..

I was walking past it..Seiko was on my left. I was pushing CJ in her buggy and this GSD lunged at Seiko in between me and the buggy...got me instead of Seiko..NICE temprement..I think NOT!!!! it never growled..or anything...and Seiko didn't even know it was there!!!!

So..I don't see how Akna can say her dog gets its height and weight and pulling power from a mal yet not its temprement..LOL.. seriously..would be nice to be able to pick and choose attributes from certain dogs and KNOW thats what they are going to be like!!!

Gnasher the dogs in the pics are lovely xxx

Thank you guys for your lovely remarks. He was indeed a lovely boy, still much missed.

I agree Louise entirely with what you say about the chest and legs ... in both Tai and Hal.

The Tai and Hal look, as I call it, was what Eddie liked the best apparently. She liked the heavy coats with the small ears. However, this "look" doesn't seem to be that common - Lucky Star's Loki has it, Tawneywolf's Cariad, a lovely boy that Wolfie had as a foster whose name I've forgotten ... oh yes, I remember, it was Lupin, he was gorgeous. It seems to be more of the Ute look than the NI.

NI's have much more of a standard "look" now, which does not feature a heavy coat and the ears tend to be very large, which I personally don't like. They are very definitely less "Mally" than the Utes I would say. Lovely dogs, all of 'em, but I personally prefer the more Mally look of Hal and Tai.

Incidentally, I agree with you about GSDs - lovely dogs, but they are far more forward going than a Mal, which is why Eddie stopped using them in her breeding and went to Mal. She used to breed GSDs and Mals amongst others I understand, before she started breeding wolf crosses.

I have a 'thing' for the 'heavier' coats. I think we are seeing more in recent times ref the NID. Which, I personally think is a good thing but it is choice and of course the breed standard comes into it.

Also, there are still many short coated Utes out there, when I went to a Show last year in Scotland, (pic on diff thread), there weren't many long coated Ute's there.

Ps Gnasher, in your personal opinion has the Ute had anything else(breed) put into it since the 'split'? Depending on what you read some say no some say yes. Just wondered your thoughts on this?
Thanks.

No, IMO nothing else has been put in since the split. However, I am probably not the best person to ask because I have taken a back seat as it were in recent years because of personal circumstances but also because I personally do not want either breed - Utonagan or Northern Inuit - to become KC registered. Eddie Harrison's vision was to create a healthy crossbreed, not to achieve KC recognition. Again IMO, the two do not go hand in hand.

Thanks Gnasher. So as far as you are concerned the the Ute and the NID are still the same dog, just named differently.

Yes ... although IMO before the split, way back when Eddie was still alive, a certain person was reputed to be using collies in an attempt to continue the "wolf" look.

There were the "Eddie" dogs and there were "a certain person's" dogs, if you get my drift

As per usual a thread goes off topic! Sometimes one wonders why bother posting? So on reflection I think my dog has a high percentage of mal and so do many people some who have mals, some that breed mals and some that dont own/breed mals. That is what the thread was about. Perhaps my dogs exceptional temperament is down to me then as a very good owner and trainer ;-) because i mean lets face it who would breed a dog with temperament in mind anyway? This thread is about looks so maybe another thread should be started about the temperament of the dogs?

Thanks xxxxx

Akna, with all due respect, it isn't often you post anyway The thread is still about looks , establishing who bred for what look etc is still about looks. Establishing what dogs did or did not go into the breed, is about looks.

Ref temprement were you not the one to bring that up last night? I believe so. If you wish to start a new thread, feel free

Well obviously! Looking at the amount of posts one has made compared to others no i do not post much but when one does post i would like to think that perhaps threads would stay on topic, but then anything with the word "inuit" usually goes downhill at great speed lol