Do NI's/UTE's etc look more wolfy than the recognised breeds? Discussions

I know there is a breeder who has bred with no regard to health or temprement. She clearly stated that hip scores don't need to be done until after the first litter as breeders cannot afford it before then!!!! Yes I heard this with my own ears! she has bred from dogs who have high scores (scored after litters born), the stud dog she continued to use him, the bitch was with someone else by then so was rehomed as a pet.

Yes some of the dogs she has bred have had epilepsy, (and we find high hip scores) she made no steps not to breed from these dogs until now, when it is too late. One particular bitches pups (pups now a few months old) had to be given away due to the epilepsy connection.

So yes, Janie I believe you have seen such sick dogs as you are in contact with the breeder. One of the poor dogs she bred with epilepsy has now surfaced to be rehomed, funny how you forget to mention things like this isn't it. However, all the other conditions you mention, where are the facts? There aren't any. Will I take your word for it? Of course not. Lies were spread about my dog whom I lost, no it wasn't genetic. Have I hidden what he passed away from, no, I haven't but it was not discussed with SC who was making stories up about my dog whilst I was still grieving,i nfact his body was still at the vets.

You have two NIDs. One is your sons, one you bought as you felt sorry for the breeder as she couldn't sell her puppies, how old was he when you got him? Not the recommended eight weeks I am sure. What a great breeder ehh?? Had a litter of puppies, couldn't sell them , then mated a further two bitches (one who it turned out had a real high hip score, oh and one who had a soft ear) and had to cart them off to a friends to have the puppies as the council became involved as to the conditions the dogs were kept in, and you defend this person????????????????????????????????????????????

and there is such a term as Socialization, very important in the dog world, IMO.

Im not sure being with the breeder would make any diff, unless the breeder failed to rear those pups properly and socialise them
I had pups from my last litter with me untill 11/12 weeks, when I think about it, vinnie and holly never left the breeder, they are still here they are the same as the rest of the litter,,,,lol
loopy loopy

For a start.. i brought Noah because i wanted a blue eyed pup.. but was unsure how two large dogs would be with my little dog. This is the reason we didn`t have Noah until he was 12 weeks old.. he already had a home set up for him in Derby.. but the people pulled out. He was perfectly well socialised and as a pup was extremely outgoing and loved everybody.. very different from my bitch who isn`t interested in anyone... not even us unless it`s on her terms. It wasn`t until he was older that he became very wary and aloof with people outside the home.

I have never failed to mention epilepsy in the breed and the problem stems from one mating and one line from that mating.. that has not be bred from since the facts of the problem came to light. Can not answer about the sire from that particular mating as he can`t be found. The bitch concerned has had 3 litters and no other dog from these subsequent litters have had any problems with epilepsy.. and many have been DNA profiled.

Your dog who died Nes was not examined after he passed.. so how the hell do you know it wasn`t a genetic disease. He was two years old.. was a bit poorly not eating properly.. then died. i`d been extremely concerned as to the reason why if he`d have been my dog.

Jane you are just nasty and spiteful and have grudge with a particular breeder (which incidental was good enough for you to have bought 2 pups from) after you were removed from a certain associations committee.. so anything you have to say, i`ll take with a pinch of salt

*Re Shyness" that is all open to Interpretation.My BCs for Instance are very Friendly BUT May or May not Bother to say Hi to people they Dont Know, Sometimes Someone will hold their Hand out to talk to them they will just turn away, this isnt Shyness,they just CANT be bothered!!!!! Sometimes greatings are Beneath them. Personally i like it, i dont like dogs that seem to think thsat every person they meet is better that their owners!!! The Grons however are Much more Forward in your face type of dogs but actually have alot less actual "bottle".
Shyness in NIs i cant actually comment on, but Maybe its just the "GSD" into their owner type of thing, bit like my Collies????

having had a BC and a GSD I would say in the NI dogs I have seen, its a diff sort of shy, more like the sheltie IMO

ETA: yes I would think shy is down to interpretation, you could also say they are aloof, stand-off-ish,,
I think given the breed dont like being left alone though, careful breeding is a must to ensure this part of the personality does not slip to far making the dogs fearful, again jmo

Yip, thats kind of what I was trying to say about my NI mishflynn. He is more aloof/stand-offish than shy. He shows no sign of nervousness or fear, more like a complete disinterest.

I didnt get my boy until he was 12 weeks old and since he hadnt already been vaccinated, it was a further 3 weeks before I could take him out so I dont know if that had anything do do with how he is or not.

Epilepsy was a well knowm fact when Breeze had her 2nd litter. what about the one that has come up now? what about the statement that Jane's dog cannot have epilepsy or be a carrier as the one with it has been identified, the carrier has been identified , so that makes Jane's dog fine? That is how much rubbish that woman talks and that is on Dogsey for all to see.

OMG, you forget I was there at the time. Now many of Naoh's litter sold at 8 weeks? The breeder even tried to palm off two of the pups (they were about 5 months by this time) on to a pregnant friend of mine, as a foster carer!

My vet was very clued up in the world of animal health. Much more qualified than you and a certain person, so of course I believe him when he tells me why my dog passed away.

As for Jane, she is so lucky with the two dogs she got off that breeder ref health, temprement and looks. Look at the rest of the litters, they look nothing like NIDs and more importantly is the health issues in some. She is not bitter and twisted. She has a genuine interest in NIDs and like others takes offence when people misrepresent the breed for hidden agendas.

The breeder was pushed from the club she started. That speaks volumes.

Your nasty post has been reported Janie. I will not waste my time responding to you.

How sad and pathetic to bring up lies about a dog that has passed away in an attempt to upset the owner. It should not be allowed and I hope your post is removed.

Breeze was pregnant with her second litter when the facts about a pup from her previous litter had epilepsy.. by then far too late to change the outcome. This litter was rehomed.. not sold by the breeder (which incidental was not Breeze`s breeder) with the facts of the problem clear to potential owners.

Still cannot see how a vet can tell you the death of a dog was not genetic without a pm.

Bitter and twisted.. Nes, i feel sorry for you.

report away Jane.. nothing i have said on this forum has ever been a lie and can be backed up by anyone who has had connections with an associations committee at the beginning. Even Nes knows that`s the truth.. regardless of her denying it as such.. as she`s now such a good friend of yours... maybe you should ask her what she`s said about it all in past.. as you so delightfully informed me not so long ago in a pm.

And incidentally.. the breeder that you are slating had home lined up for the entire litter untill nasty rumours were intentionally circulated by various members in the NIS camp, which is why some homes fell through.

Some of that particular litter was still unsold at 8 weeks due to their rumour mill and the breeder was concerned about socialising them. They all had their second vaccinations and some were fostered, for the good of the pups as it was impossible for her to get them all out and socialised away from their siblings.

I consider that responsible.

abbie - you seem to spend more time whinging and reporting other peeps posts (when not deleting your own of course ;-) ) Folks are allowed a view and opinion, aren't they

Not when they are "nasty and spiteful"

That is not true about Breeze and Breeze was rehomed on breeding grounds.

Let me think, years of medical training might have something to do with it.

Bitter and twisted, I have no reason to be, loyal to my dogs, yes I am. You are the one I feel sorry for Janie, having not yet seen what this person is really like . Her problem with NIDs is simply because two clubs (one being her own) have thrown her out!

I was there too Nes.. and i know that for a fact.

im not picking an argument here, but given the what you have said above, Im confused as to this comment on boris from your website.

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Unfortunately Boris doesn't go to shows as he gets nervous in large crowds and so prefers to stay at home.


shy is IMO a step above nervous, so given that you have a nervous dog, Im sure you can see where Im coming from when I say, the shy side of the temprament needs to be carefuly monitored, or the breed could become nervous as a whole if the wrong dogs are mated

Breeze was not rehomed on breeding grounds - whatever gave you that idea? And it was true Nes.. as why would the new owner breed her again if she was remotely aware of the problem in her line.

And SC was not thrown out of any club - she left the NIS to set up TIDA and then left TIDA for personal reasons and to get on with her own research without being lumbered with running a club and events etc.. so you need to get your facts right.

I have seen her letter of resignation, that she forwarded to the committee.. so no throwing out was involved.

Breeze nearly went to my friend on the same grounds, are you attempring to say she was passed on as a pet?

NIS throw her out. TIDA encouraged her to go.

Anybody that that has the decency to ask me directly if they have any questions about MY dogs, rather than on a public forum, are told honestly about them without having to jump to conclusions.

The reason Boris is shy in crowds is because he did not mix with other dogs at a young age. The reason for this was due to where we lived at the time. There was no puppy classes or other dogs that he could mix with, other than our own other dog that we had at the time (a collie that I forgot to add where you asked previously).

Boris is 10 years old, mixes well with dogs that he knows and is fabulous with people. Because he doesn't come to shows with us is not a problem and we would hardly try to change him now.