Discussion split from NI and Utonagan owners thread Discussions

I am glad you love your dog that much - everyone should feel that bond with their dogs, and luckily I think 90% of people do.
However - without knowing fully what is behind a dog it is a cross, and after the various things you were told by Eddy - admitting yourself that she lied to you on numerous occasions, you chose to believe her when she told you the version of the truth you wished to hear.
My faith in believing in just what people tell me has gone I am afraid, so - if you are going to make claims it is always good to be willing to back them up.
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Still not jealous

Tassle - don't be childish! I don't know what's got into you, I really don't. This is not a competition, I am just fed up of people banging on about Eddy's dogs being unhealthy.

NO!!

Where's my ******* apology!!

Is she still around then? I had no idea.

Excellent!!

Sorry - you wrote that You thought I was jealous....just pointing out that this is not the case.

Oh....and for the record...I happen to get fed up with people telling me how fab crosses are and how much healthier they are when Mine are not. There is no hard and fast rule. If you want to produce healthy dogs you test and check as much as you can to ensure that. You do not just go by the fact they are crosses and therefore will be fine.

True - but Hal WAS very healthy, with good hips. Insurance companies will argue with you - they work on statistics, and the statistics are that crosses and mongrels have far far less expensive disorders and conditions that require expensive veterinary treatment. Which is why it is so much cheaper to insure a mutt than it is a pedigree.

I have been reading this thread for the last few days, sorry for jumping so late ......
I am totally in the, there has never been wolf, in the NI/Ute camp. I'm not saying Eddie didn't believe, or rather want to believe she had wolf hybrids imported, but find it too hard to believe especially when you see the pics. Here's the main reason why, a wolf hybrid ending up in a US shelter is almost certain a death sentence straightaway, even more so going back to when these dogs were imported into the UK, as there are more No kill shelters here than there has ever been, and even now if one turns up most shelters will not take the risk of passing them on. Unless, they have a suitable sanctuary, and they are at bursting point, a wolf hybrid is most likely to be euthanised.

You really believe that 4 strays , who all happened to be hybrids at the same time ,in San Francisco area, managed to get out of a shelter alive? More likely someone took 4 crossbreeds , of GSD/husky/mal ancestry, exported them to an old lady who wanted to believe she has wolf hybrids.

As for two full grown wolves running around in a barn, find it hard to believe, they are supreme escape artists, how did she exercise them? can't be free running as every instinct in their body would of told them to run away, and she could not of been able to walk one surely, much too strong and clever.

When I moved first here,a neighbour reported my dog as a wolfdog, illegal in that State and County, which he isn't, thankfully I had all his paperwork from the UK, and import/customs papers etc, and after a terrifying day, animal control left me alone, if they hadn't, I would have lost my dog forever:-( Perpetuating old stories about wolf in these dogs does no end of damage, plus, convinces numpties, to buy one as they want a wolf dog, when all they are going to get is a mixed heritage dog, that has God knows what, and will take who knows what traits.

Another point is, Wolves deserve to be in the wild, not in someones back garden, praising anyone who keeps a wolf captive as a pet is wrong . They aren't dogs, they make lousy pets, most end up being handed into shelters or neglected and confined to a life of only being in someones back yard. They take a long time to mature, so when they do mature, you have a real live wild animal in your garden , not that fluffy big dog anymore. No longer biddable, lousy house dog, an escape artist, and at some point the prey drive will kick in, they deserve respect and freedom, same applies to wolf hybrids. They shouldn't exist,it's morally wrong, very few people are suited to keeping one, you have no idea of what you are going to end up with.

A couple of months ago I met a dog, a husky mix dog, that a silly person had told everyone was a wolf hybrid, they handed it in as they couldn't handle it, it just needed training, it had no more wolf in it than my Goldie,but because of the name, it was going to be euthanised for being a hybrid, and in the end it was signed over to a wolf specialist where it will have to spend the rest of it's days, living not as dog, but a wolf hybrid. It saved the dog's life, and it's well cared for, but can never leave the property it's on, or live in a regular home. I have contact with wolf hybrids and wolves now, and seriously not one N.I,or Ute or anything of the type, even comes slightly close. There is nothing romantic about seeing a beautiful predator, captive, or hearing the horror stories that they have endured before they were taken care of, it just makes me angry, that while people spout claptrap about living with wolves, more of these animals will end up being abused.

If you truly love wolves, they belong in the wild, not in your garden. Why Gnasher, you keep insisting of holding Eddie's bad breeding in high esteem , confuses me. She was an adult, totally responsible for her actions, she purposely played God and frankenstein with these dogs, and seemed to give very little thought to the results. Let's put this to that, and sod it, that future generations might end up with a dog that is like this or like that. She had no vision, she saw a way to make money, and ran with the idea, and JK just jumped on the whole bandwagon, and now what a beautiful thing Eddie's vision created, eh?

Thank you... but I won't be going for an untested crossbreed again (unless a rescue).

No---it is cheaper because they have no replacement value!

Can you link us to the stats please.

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Moonstone, that is so sad about your ordeal for that day xxx I am so glas it worked out and the truth prevailed for you both on that day xxxxxx

Also so sad about the poor dog with the 'wolf dog' label. Thank goodness someone took that dog in xxxxxx
It also supports something Layla said about the USA and people calling their dogs wolf dog when they are not. Not only is it a great shame, but there is no decent reason for it.

I had a quick search and I cant vouch for the accuracy of the piece but it states that only 1/3 of all dog owners insure.
www.dreamdogs.co.uk/do-you-own-one-of-britains-most-expensive-dog-breeds-513.html

So no correlation can be made using hese figures and overall health of pedigrees vs mongrels.

Great post. It makes me sooooo angry when someone keeps bleating on about their wolf crosses, they should be ashamed, not bigging them up. We all know that our domestic dogs originally came from wolves but that was a long long time ago, dogs are dogs now and domesticated, wolves should be left wild as nature intended. When will people stop meddling. If someone came up to me and said they owned a wolf cross I would tell them they should be ashamed of themselves for condoning the breeding. I love the wolf but it should stay where it belongs in the wild not in someones barn, shed or back garden to be used or abused by greedy humans that want to play god.

well said!

Thanks, it was when we first moved here, he's a lot of things but no wolf;-), plus live in a different state now. He didn't help himself, when he almost floored the inspector with his greeting though

It is very real that people label their dogs without thinking of the implications, it can mean a death sentence:-( also, the "people" who breed real hybrids, how can they call themselves animal lovers, keeping a wolf for breeding purposes,it's all wrong, and the animals are the ones who pay the price.

Good post Moonstone!

How lovely to see you Susi - very good post!

Thank you .It's been awhile, but felt compelled to write x (hope Loki is well, and the children x)

I know where you are coming from xxxxxxx

Big hugs to Mack btw xxxxxx