Discussion split from NI and Utonagan owners thread Discussions

I know 100% m boy would not have a DS, they have them from birth.

This is exactly what I would have expected from you, try and distract from your own shortcomings by frantically pointing to others. You and JK could be twins.

Your slight of hands doesnt wash with me......you bought from a puppy farmer and all your foot stamping wont change that

She has obviously never owned a springer---or a staffie!

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That is great news LH, I am so pleased. But did you know this for sure when you bought your boy?

No, I am not at all trying to distract from my own shortcomings. I have plenty of them, and they are clear for all to see. With me, what you see is what you get.

I'm not stamping, or throwing my toys out of the pram, I am merely stating that I find it extraordinary that you should accuse ME of being a hypocrite when you are clearly one yourself.

No pedigree is perfect, they all have their genetic faults, some more serious than others of course, but you were so much soaring up there on your high horse occupying what you considered to be extremely moral high ground, that I thought it was time you were brought down a peg or two. I knew of course about Rhodies and ds, and I also know that the operation is extremely expensive and extremely difficult and dangerous and that you would be lucky to get an insurance company to cover you for it. I also knew about the culling of dogs without ridges, which to my mind is disgusting and appalling but which you seemingly find perfectly acceptable.

Fair enough, we all have different standards and different ideas of what is and isn't acceptable.

We'll shake hands on it and agree to disagree shall we? I'm off to bed now, good night everyone.

Too much of this:

and not enough of this:

Before I go, just wanted to say if Lyn reads this, I am really sorry if I have raked up the past for her, and I think it would be nice if we don't talk about Ishtar again.

Big hugs to Lyn

Yes, my breeder is a good breeder who knows what she is doing, there was no chance my boy has DS bearing in mind I chose him at 8wks.

Again you assume I find it acceptable but you know what they say about assume............

And I am glad my standards are different from yours.....I can sleep at night, night

from DEFRAS website ......[Having seen a photograph of “Ishtar”, and since learning of his breeder, we consider that it is
extremely unlikely that he had any significant wolf content. Most likely, he is a German
Shepherd cross. It is believed that “Ishtar” was humanely destroyed shortly after the
“attack”.]

OMG ref the believed outcome but one that does sound likely, though I prefer the version from Liz.

Can we have a year please? The link I put up was, if dated accurately, 1996. When did NIDs get their name?

Indeed they might however, I don't think ni's etc will ever get kc recognition, certainly not while they've still got links to an animal abuser, amongst other things.

Werewofl you're onto something, lots claim N.I's have been around over twenty years...my footage was from early 96 (i looked on the tape earlier on), and they were defnitely wolf hybrids then stil....

said wolfhybrids .... but still crossbreeds..even more so than i thought then lol.

Very interesting read on the Defra website, did you see the pics of the dogs Eddie imported. IMO there doesn't look to be any wolf in them does there? And the one imported from Alaska looks like a black German Shepherd to me.

I think the wolf content is something we will never know. I see none in the photos of the supposed original dogs.

What I do believe is too many breeders have bred from dogs that permanently live in kennels, hardly ever getting out and not at all breeding for temperament.

It really does make me so mad when I see things like totally none aggressive, none dog aggressive, Will usually submit when challenged. I am not going to go into the details here but as some of my friends know I have the total opposite of this.

This is not an unsocialised kennel dog. She is a much loved pet that competes in various dog sports. Has no problem with other dogs but has a major dominance problem with the dogs she lives with. Careful supervision and keeping them seperate is the only way we can cope with this.

He was caught running wild...(I have told you this via pm before )
We reckon he was 8-12 months.

.....but IMO - you have just gone against your initial point....you cannot rely on behaviour as an indication of wolf content.

One of the pedigrees i've seen was under The Wolf Hybrid Society and that was dated 1996.. so i think there was no NI by name prior to that.

Right, we bought Hal in 1997. I would think it would anytime from 1997 to 2002. Hal sired his first litter at 5, and his "wife" was described then as a Northern Inuit by her owner, so if I had to state a specific year, I would go for 1997, but I may be a little late or a little early either way.

O gosh yes, I'm sorry, my memory is terrible! I had to delete most of my PM's recently to make some space.

I agree that you cannot rely on behaviour as an indication of wolf content (it is more accurate by far than going on looks alone), that is the point I am making about your little guy caught running wild! Dogs will revert to their natural wolf instincts if raised without human intervention, as I guess he most likely was. If when his eyes first opened and he started to focus he didn't see a human being within, say, 24 hours, then it is very likely that he will regard humans with suspicion, to be avoided at all cost, just as wolves learn this as cubs. It is a trigger reflex, for want of a better phrase, which kicks in with wild wolves at around 3 weeks, and my farmer friend whom I was discussing this with in the pub says he believes it to be true with domesticated dogs as well. He has known farm collies who were born outside, never handled by humans, and by 8 weeks were totally fearful of all humans.

I am not sure why I have gone against my initial point?

You can have black wolves! Shaun Ellis has one at Combe Martin.

so? even you can see it looks like a gsd

i ask again