Can you tell which "lines" a GSD comes from by looking at it? Discussions

A pic of Ulk von Arlett
http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/29978/Ulk-von-Arlett

KINGSTOWN FINA
Reg no. U3463004 hip score 8/4
sire KINGSTOWN DAX
reg no R4864102 Hip Score 5/7 (sire XERO VOM GRAUEN (IMP) dam VINA VON DER HOHEN ERLE OF KINGSTOWN (IMP) )

dam KINGSTOWN CLOE
reg no R4863505 hip score 16/6 (sire WATZ VOM SCHORNFELSEN Dam BRANDI VON DER KONIGSGARDE (IMP) )

Oh Wow I'm liking what I see there. So although that is a Working dogs site it purely means "obedience" working then, not as in what we call the working lines? Also what does that SCH 3 mean then, I know what the Sch means of course the Schuthund, but why the 3 what does it stand for please when put after the Sch then? Thanks Pam questions, questions and more questions! signed: Dipstick!

Thanks Pam, I'm off searching now then......

All those German names, so does this mean they are all the German sloping back types then? :?

Berwartstein Enard had a 0:0=0 hip score
Vanclaire's Helena 7
Fanto vom Bayrischen Wald had an A stamp-noch zulassen which means the highest degree of HD that can be bred from in Germany

WATZ VOM SCHORNFELSEN pic
http://www.working-dog.de/dogs-details/55552/Watz-vom-Schornfelsen

Thanks again Pam, I'm finding them too, Kingstown's are gorgeous, still slopey backs though?!:?

No Helena the pics I have shown are German Showline they do have Schutzhund qualifications.

Heres a better pic of Quant from the Kirschental Kennel, his are show dogs and herding dogs (both)
http://www.kirschenbach.de/index.ph...=com_gallery&Itemid=42&include=view_photo.php

and HE would be the Champion, where I found this bit.... Quote "On the move with a UK Champion with West German lines ...
1993 Top Male GSD in the U.K. Champion Quant v. Kirschental SchH3, FH demonstrates his side gait. Unquote

Oh I'm really loving this, I've never bothered with any of my pedigrees before, but it's sooo interesting, especially seeing the pics too! Thanks again Pam, I'm on a roll now!

They are show German lines

Sch H III-Schutzhund level 3(now called Vielseitigkeitsprüfung für Gebrauchshunde(VPG))

All GSDs in Germany have to pass at least one level of Schutzhund before they can be bred from.

The working German GSDs have other titles such as IPO

Schutzhund 3 is the highest level of Tracking, Obedience and Protection;
Tracking on a 800 to 1000 paces long track laid by a stranger at least fifty minutes old with three objects.

The strange track has four 90 degree right angle turns. The judge, by taking into consideration the existing terrain, will determine the course of the track. The tracks must be of different shapes. It is not recommended that the corners and articles be at the same distance on all tracks. The start must be properly marked with a sign or marker which is to be pressed into the ground at the left hand side of the starting point. The tracklayer, after remaining at the starting point for some time, will proceed in the direction as indicated by the judge and places the first article after approximately 100 paces and the second article on the middle of the second or third leg without interrupting pace or changing stride. The third article is to be deposited at the end of the track. The tracklayer will now proceed a few paces straight ahead and move away from the track. The handler has the option of tracking the dog freely or with a 10 meter leash. Both methods will be scored identically.

Obedience phase;
Heeling Off Leash - 10 points
The handler reports to the judge with a free heeling dog. The leash must not be visible to the dog. The handler is only permitted to use the voice command when starting the exercise or when changing pace. When the handler comes to a stop, the dog should come to the sit position without being influenced by the handler. The heeling off leash exercise is to be demonstrated to the fullest extent. Special emphasis must be placed upon gun indifference. The shots must be fired from a distance of fifteen paces with two shots fired with a ten second interval. Should the dog run away from the gun shot, the dog is to be excused from further participation. Should the judge detect gun insecurity in a dog it is permissible to test the dog with additional gun shots. The gun shot impartially test can only be executed during the heeling off leash and long down under distraction.
Sit Exercise - 5 points, Down With Recall - 10 points, Stand Stay Out of Motion - 5 points, Stand Stay While Running - 10 points, Retrieving a Dumbbell Weighing Two Kilograms on Level Ground - 10 points, Climb-Jump Over the Inclined Wall (Height 1.80 Meters and Width at Bottom 1.30 Meters) and Retrieve an Object Belonging to the Handler - 15 points, Go Ahead and Down - 10 points, Long Down Under Distraction - 10 points: Minimum point score is 70 points

Protection phase:
Search for the Helper - 5 points
The dog's search for the helper is the same for Schutzhund 2 and 3.
Hold and Bark - 5 + 5 = 10 points
The hold and bark exercise is the same for Schutzhund 1, 2, and 3.
Escape - 10 points
The escape exercise is the same for Schutzhund 2 and 3.
Defense - 20 points
The defense exercise is the same for Schutzhund 2 and 3.
Back Transport - 5 points
The back transport exercise is the same for Schutzhund 2 and 3.
Defense Against Attack with Lying in Wait and Guarding of Handler - 15 points
The defense against attack with lying in wait and guarding of handler exercise is the same in Schutzhund 2 and 3.

Defense Out of Attack with Guarding Position - 15 points
The handler leaves the designated hiding place with the free heeling dog and goes to the designated starting position (center line). The dog sits freely on the handler's left side or the handler holds the dog by the collar. The handler is not allowed to stimulate the dog. The dog has to remain calm. The dog has to maintain the sit position until released with the command to stop the attack.
If the dog does not remain calm up to 3 points may be deducted.
The second helper leaves the designated hiding place at a distance of about 70 - 80 paces from the handler and runs across the field. The handler orders the helper to "Stand still". The helper ignores the order and attacks the handler and dog from in front. The judge will immediately signal the handler to release the dog to stop the attack and the handler sends the dog.
The dog should stop the attack forcefully with an energetic, firm, full, secure and calm grip. When the dog has a grip, the helper will briefly press the dog and then cease the aggression on a signal from the judge. No stick hits will be applied. The dog should release the grip independently or after one verbal command and then guard the helper.

Defense - 20 points
Same as Schutzhund 2 and 3 defense after the escape exercise.

Minimum point score is 80 points

Hope that helps.

Thanks Jodee, and I just found that out for myself now I honestly didn't KNOW what Schtzhund was, and then I found this enlightening page!
http://www.angesgardiens.ca/ANG/Schutzhund.htm

You learn something every day then!

Thanks again Pam, I am now totally obsessed, I can't stop googling!

FH: Fahrtenhund, tracking qualification.
FH1: Advanced tracking.
FH2: Superior tracking qualification.

Gefni Go Go : Sire Sealight Astor Dam Gefni Blue Byrd

Nordhausen Holly: sire Kemjon Boss At Nordhausen
Dam Novem Aminka Of Nordhausen

Cant read the picture properly but am guesing she was mated to NORDHAUSEN ORNO
sire MUSIC MAN FROM NOVEM
Dam KINGSTOWN GINNIE

DREAMCOAT SARA
reg V1448001 hip score 6/7
sire DREAMCOAT RUDI'S KING hip score 3/6
dam GUINEVERES GOLDEN GIRL hip score 8/5

Dringhoe Flash
Sire Ali Of Neypol
Dam Dringhoe Brands

Dringhoe Greta
Sire Sparazden Eagle
Dam Dringhoe Dawn

Falk Vom Haus Edelflor SchH3/FH
Sire Marko vom Cellerland
Dam Cora vom Haus Hakatherm

You guessed correctly there Pam!;-) I'm still keeping up! Lol!

and if I may please, one more question....

What does WT before a name mean with PDX aferwards then??