Buying a Wolf Dog Cross - (split from Mahooli's standard thread) Controversial

O please what you do wear blinkers took 8 years sorry not very credible

What a silly post!

So are you saying it took you a lot less time to see that the breed was a farce????

It took two flipping years to get a pedigree for my first bitch from JK - many people never did get theirs.

Yet again everything goes right off topic if ww, sc, kc jack and anyone else continues to have personal digs at one another the posts will be removed or threads closed!!!!! This topic was about buying a wolfdog whether it be a cross or not some of us (even some of those listed above) have contributed to this thread openly and honestly. I for one have posted my details about my own csv boy without reply! The fact of the matter is there are good breeders and bad breeders in fact gemma i know quite a few badly bred huskys and breeders that sell huskys to general public as a pet then they end up in rescue centres. i know where there are 3 at the moment if anyone is looking? Its all well and good having a go but there IS a market for wolf lookalike dogs because most of the spitz/wolfie type breeds are a lot to deal with for the average dog owner and on the whole the inuit made a nice change as it looked the part but could go off lead and was responsive in the many ways that the purer primitive breeds are not! What gets me is the way so many pure bred dog owners take an instant dislike to people like myself and my dogs when they do not know us or know anything about the dogs JUST what they have read or seen on the internet or been gossiped and banded about between folk. I know that i am one in a few who actually have really tried to prove to people that we are NOT all pondlife. But you know what i spent many years going out and doing stuff with my dogs and trying. I dont have anything to do with lots of the politics now and i just get on with what ive always done....enjoying my dogs! This thread was about csv and should remain so. I hope the KC accept the csv in this country so frtiends that i have from europe can come here to show and work their dogs not just those in the uk already. They are a breed just as many others and people in europe are only being cautious just as many breed clubs are in this country and thats a good thing! No one cannot stop cross breeding and some of these crosses go onto become breeds in their own right. But some go on to be failed....

I'm sorry - I do not follow these threads much.

I was just shocked that you considered the only 2 options regarding your bitch being to breed her with another pure dog or to cross her with something else.

I apologise for misunderstanding you - big disapointment is a very different way of stating it and with regards to the bold bit, I can understand that - but the only way this breed are going to be properly established is if people like yourself who own one can prove that you truely have the breeds interest at heart and are not looking to reclaim some of the money paid out on importing/purchasing or health testing, by using a different breed on her.

Thats ok - apology accepted.

The main point is - that the breed clubs know what my intentions are regarding helping to establish the Czech in this country. It's not going to happen overnight but to get a breed established it is going to be necessary to breed - but that certainly isn't the be all and end all by any means.

AI. Or take her to Europe on the PETS scheme. No need to cross if you are serious.

Yes of course thats an option - but to do this I also need to be able to trust the european breeders.

What don't you trust about them?

Part of their problem is that someone has bred timberwolf into the CWD in the UK and sold it back into Europe; surprise, surprise if they are suspicious. CWD owners there are VERY serious about their breed.

But Navajo is right, you do have options. There are different lines of CWD in Europe but you have to decide what direction you want to go and if you believe everything you are told by those that want to control and dominate this new breed in the UK. Who is telling the truth I wonder?

Who has taken a dislike to you and your dogs? Not me coz I never met you. Infact very few 'pure' bred owners seem to stand up for themselves; though a lot of argument comes from NI owners. Perhaps more 'pure' owners should take a stand and not x-breed with these dogs for the moment? I have met lots of these X-breds and not found one I disliked yet: but it isn't the point.

I think you make a lot of valid points. I will say again that it is a shame that the CWD and SWH were not properly established in their own right before all the x-breeding. This has just devalued them to the status of a mixer.

Sorry Akna I have 2 crossbreeds so I dont really care what other people have and that is certainly not the reason get on my high horse.

What baffles me is Sandra has a CWD who she has stated "is not a pet" yet want to further the breed yet would cross if cant get another CWD????
Most people own dogs before they become breeders for the love of the breed not buy a puppy of a breed they have never owned before and become expert and breeder.
She is a laughing stock in the NI world and says it took her 8 years to realise...............PLEASE.

What you say is absolutely right and I can assure you I do make up my own mind about people and do not rely on hearsay.

Breeding Quest is something that obviously won't be happening for a couple of years, so therefore I do have some time to make reliable contacts abroad and hopefully Quest will be joined by others of her kind by that time.

I do appreciate your help and input.

...yet its ok to compare a well known wolf behaviourist to the yorkshire ripper? eh?

Strange guidlelines to say the least. Whatever you may or may not think of somebody I dont think you add to the debate as a "moderator" with these kind of comments-have a think about it

I usually dont get into these threads, as they get a little tedious.

But jus thad to pick up on this bit.

As one who cant tell the difference between a Czech ,Saarloos? or a Northern Inuit, as they all look much of the same to me..I am confused to hear someone who is supposedly passionate about a breed, and wants to unify them in the UK... make a statement as the above ..seems rather like me saying

I have a Boxer, but cant find good enough quality to breed to, so will mate her with a Bullmastiff..as they have a similar "look" .results , another type that resemble nothing like what I am after.

Why not if you cant find anything of the same to breed take option 3, dont breed:?

Hi Minihaha,

I have taken lots of time to read through these posts and am satisfied (but dismayed) that you have inferred a comparison between the aforementioned wolf behaviourist and Peter Sutcliffe otherwise known as the yorkshire ripper. Using the tool of inference and clever venacular does not give you cart blanche to make these comparisons.

Im not here to stand up for anyone Minihaha but I also dont believe that drawing comparisons between a wolf behaviourist and Mass murder/rapist is morally justified

It seems that you feel able to draw these comparisons in public but when questioned in public (i.e. not through admin) you refer me to admin. We all make mistakes in the heat of debate-perhaps if you apologised for your behaviour it may sustain you some credibility in your position as "moderator"?-just a thought.

KC jack you say you have cross breeds and you dont care about what anyone else has .....SO STAY OUT OF THE THREADS THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT CROSS BREEDS ON THEN! You constantly stick your nose in picking fault with people about their dogs, their spelling errors (how petty) and anything else you can stir up in the mean time...why dont you go and stir trouble on the ridgie threads and tell them how to breed dogs?

Minihaha,

You drew a direct comparison by inference to Peter Sutcliffe as you thought this was "funny". The laughter in the subsequent posts exhibits my point entirely. The yorkshire ripper is not a laughing matter to either his victims or their relatives.

Nobody is deliberately misunderstanding anything except you Minihaha.

Youve behaved in a completely unacceptable manner and Im sorry (though not surprised) you feel no need to apologise.

My conscience is clear-is yours?

good post.