Buying a Wolf Dog Cross - (split from Mahooli's standard thread) Controversial

I have got one of Sandra's (Sansorrella) pups from the new type of wolfdogs I waited for almost three years for my wolfdog I did loads of research, reading and asking of questions!!!! Sandra invited both me and OH to see her dogs. We decided to have one, Sansorrella First Class (pics in dog pic section). At NO TIME WERE WE MISLED AS TO WHAT SHE WAS!!! Sandra explained all about the British wolfdog club, the database and registry. I received documentation and paperwork verifying her breeding and parentage and she will be DNA profiled!! I think it is about time folks moved on and stop trying to discredit the breeders who are introducing a better, healthier and happier wolfy looking dog!!!! and getting away from the 'dodgy breeders ' who dont care about the dogs!!!!!! Sandra's are happy dogs living in the house in a clean and pleasant environment!!!
I love my beautiful girl and it saddens me to read there are some folks who I feel are being negative to my personal choice of dog!!!!
I am relatively new to dogsey, but due to the way some of these post go, I dont feel like I want to be associated with it!!!!:-(

I have to ask, how do you know you have the correct parentage? No disrespect at all to Sandra, her morals and ethics are in the right place, I'm talking about what may have been put down on paper that perhaps Sandra or breeders of her stock, may not know about.

I can guarantee the bitch side since she is from generations of my breeding. The sire side I have no reason to doubt - but DNA profiling of both parents and the puppies is as close as you can get to guaranteeing anything.

I was involved in KC registered breeds prior to getting into the NI's and wolfdogs and I can assure you that just because a dog comes with a KC registration, there is no guarantee there that the paperwork is correct. I know that KC breeders falsify paperwork - in fact I was offered £1,000 for the paperwork for one of my GSDs when she was spayed, so that someone could register litters from her non-KC registered bitch. Of course I didn't part with the paperwork. Also, I know that with a certain KC breeder when you take your bitch for mating with one dog, he sometimes switches dogs and mates your bitch to a lesser quality dog. So there are shady breeders in all breeds.

However, I can only go by the paperwork I was given for the sire of my litter, which I have no reason to doubt. All pedigrees for any dog/breed will state that it is "correct to the best of my knowledge" - even the KC have this disclaimer.

Do you suspect that the paperwork I have for the sire is incorrect?

Before anyone comments on the fact that Girliebiker's pup went out prior to being DNA profiled - I am STILL waiting for the kits to arrive and need to chase the KC on this. When the kits DO arrive I will be personally visiting my pups in their new homes and will swab them myself. The owners will get the DNA certificates and profiles - I will keep copies for my records.

excellent post, totally agree, and your pup is gorgeous

In my opinion, I think Sandra has gone an awful long way to ensure these puppies are happy and healthy, I wish more breeders would do the same. They look a well reared, happy, confident litter, one she should be very proud of.

Lets just hope Echo's temprement issues are not passed on to her puppies in this current litter, which according to your website, are not yet all sold after all, Sandra. Ref your psychic ability of reserving a 'rare arctic white, blue eyed pup' from the at the time, unborn litter, I guess you didn't get any after all. Your powers must be fading.

Nes, your pathetic attempts at discrediting me are making you look very foolish.

I have already explained that litters are advertised in order to obtain a waiting list for future litters. I have also said it is not possible to predict the sex of forthcoming litters and very often you don't get sufficient numbers for the people who have booked them or get more of one sex than you have a waiting list for.

If I haven't posted blue-eyed whites then perhaps its because there are none available that aren't already spoken for!

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I don't know why you have now changed to attack Echo, but she doesn't have a temperament issue - as can be confirmed by the various Dogsey people who have been to visit my dogs and didn't even realise she was the bitch you have slated. The only time she has been 'iffy' is when she is protecting her pups - which is to be expected of a good mum.

Why don't you just stick to your original post instead of bringing your personal vendetta onto this forum.

Your issues with me are personal due to my suggestion that your dog Shadow possibly had Addison's disease - a belief that you have not been able to disprove. If you are so righteous about improving this 'breed' then why haven't you provided a vet report to show what your dog died of at 2 years old, when he should have been in his prime?

I do not need to discredit you, you have done that for yourself. Everyone knows you are not a 'serious' dog person. You spout on about show wins etc, well which wins Any of any notability Of course not. You just carry on misleading decent people. One minute the NIDs are inbred and pedigrees fake and unreliable, then you say your dogs are ok as you bred them, It does not make sense

Any success in the world of pedigree dogs? Established breeds ? Of course not. That is why you bred NIDs and now you are ruining and the CWD and the SWH. You can't make it in the established dog world, too much competition.

Now, I am off to get a life You are right, talking to you is a waste of my time

Oh and another thing 'Breeding programme' It wasn't that long ago you had that GSD on your website that you were going to mate with your NIDs

You are obviously not looking in the right places then or don't know where to look - I've had plenty of Open and Champ Show wins with KC breeds. My dogs were handled by one of the top breeders and international judges (now deceased) at Champ Shows since, at that time, I had a young family and couldn't be away from home long enough to get to the Champ Shows.

I have a lot of credibility and I must thank you for bringing my website to the attention of all the people that look at it when you mention my name - you have, in fact, sold several pups for me. Thanks.

I would give up your vendetta Nes as you are making yourself look very silly.

Your point being???

You sound as if you are losing your rag Nes Was it the mention of Shadow?

Incidentally, I doubt you are aware - even if you do profess to be an 'expert' on the 'breed' - THAT GSD, as you call him, is the same line that was put into the NI in first place. His grandmother. So, you learn something every day don't you?

am i missing something? as borderdawn has rightly pointed out sansorrella's litter has been well reard yet werewolf constantly attacks her, why? isnt werewolf a member of nis? shouldnt she be looking at practices closer to home?
remember the saying "Those who live in glass houses......"
it would appear very personnal and very petty. werewolfs dog died aged 2yrs? what of?

FACT

I am a dog owner who loves her dogs and does the best for them. They know they will be fed, groomed, walked and cared for in any and everyway that they need. They want for nothing. They are my family, as my cats are.

I work hard to earn a decent wage to support my 'family'.

FACT
SC uses my and other hard working peoples taxes to support her and suppliments this by breeding dogs. I remember (as will others at the Show at Anns's parents) when we commented on how much better your Timber was looking and what did you say? That is because there is more food to go around, now I have less dogs ' (she had rehomed a few of her dogs (after having had a litter from each) as they weren't up to the desired standard. Common practice with her.

What is the truth about Drummer your rescue (ethics) stud dog Why did he get rehomed for the third or is it the fourth time? Lucky dog, whatever the reason.

Anybody want to move on from whatever it is thats between Sandra and Werewolf?

So question for you all, when buying a wolfdog cross what sort of percentage of wolfdog do you think your everyday pet owner could cope with?

Nes I am so pleased you work hard for a living - I don't know where you think I am living off tax payers money? I guess you are just jealous because I pulled off a good deal - sold my house to a property developer and am living off the profits with no mortgage and have time to enjoy my dogs!!! Incidentally, what were you living off during the months, or was it years, that you had off work 'sick' when your dog died?

Its got damn all to do with you about Drummer -but its not secret, his breeder brought him back from the original owner - he wasnt a rescue and never was. He was sold to me for a considerable amount of money - not solely owned by myself but in partnership with another breeder who also had say in what happened with him. After careful consideration of the fact that he threw white puppies, which although there is nothing wrong with them they are not what I or that breeder want to be breeding - we decided to pull out of the deal and just pay for the stud fees and he was returned to his breeder. Where is your problem with that?

Also, if you are so ethical - why would you buy a puppy that a breeder was having problems selling from high hip scoring parents??? Not a move a sensible, ehtical person would make - surely?

Get the thread back on track Nes and let your personal grievences go - if Shadow didn't die of Addisons - then what did he die of? Was it something you did maybe and thats why you can't or won't say????

You have right off topic Nes, on your own topic - maybe you should get back - here's your original post to remind you what this thread was about:

In my extremely limited experience, definitely not a pure Saarloos. Perhaps Sandra could comment on the pure CsV.

Thanks Navajo, i was moving to plan B next and bring up what everyone thought of Peter Andre and Jordan's split
I mean if we're going off topic, why not ;-)

:? thats the first time I have ever heard of that I know if Im looking for people for future litters, I put an add on a pre paid breeders web site Im a member of stating "planned litter" inviting intrested partys to put there name on my waiting list.
why adverstise pups on the ground in order to gain a waiting list?

Well i'm not a breeder so no expert by any means but i would have thought so the public could see what the pups looked like?

What do you think of the Peter / Katie split Shona?