Buying a Wolf Dog Cross - (split from Mahooli's standard thread) Controversial

With regards to any breed and the 'responsiblities' of a breeder. I guess it depends on how much the breeder really cares about where the puppies go and their long term care. I agree, the buyer should take some responsibilty but ultimately, the breeder is the one who has been responsible for the puppy being brought into this world, so I believe they should be more responsible. We all know there are alot of idiots out there that will fork out for a dog and not think of the long term implications, the next thing you know the dog is up rehoming.
This is a US link, it pretty much hits the nail on the head:
http://members.tripod.com/~Marge_S_2/nonframes/findingabreeder.htm

The fact is one litter was not all sold and yet there was another on its way being advertised. Two and two together equals that puppies are being brought into the world and are far from 'pre booked'. So ref 'getting more responsible' ......I am sad to say it would appear far from it, in some cases:-(

It seems the same with most if not all NI breeders.. didn`t you self by your pup from a breeder.. after it was advertised cos she couldn`t get rid of it. That went for all her litters. And your comment regarding responsible breeders certainly points the finger in that direction too.. as one of her pups was put to sleep with servere HD at 8 months old.. and wouldn`t lift a finger to help. I hear she has three litters due.. at the same time, i don`t consider that very responsible.

The advertisement does direct people to a website where it does, in fact, state that this type of dog is not suitable for first time dog owners.

Maybe the breeder is advertising a current litter in order to get a waiting list for future litters - have you considered that?

Sometimes there are puppies that are not prebooked as you cannot predict what sex you are going to get - and if people have booked a certain sex and there are not enough to go round then of course those puppies would be advertised.

I think Janie's comment re the breeder of Nes' bitch was very valid and Akna's explanation was spot on.

Also, the British Wolfdog Club is NOT the same as the British Inuit Dog Club. The BIDC is for inuit dogs and the British Wolfdog Club was set up as a registry and regulating body for the wolfdogs and wolfdog crosses/hybrids.

I would get your facts right Nes - that particular breeder has the next two litters prebooked - some going to USA, Eire, Portugal and Norway. Breeders don't have crystal balls and you don't know that you can produce exactly what people have booked in each litter - so obviously there are going to be some that aren't booked and bookings are carried over to the next litter. Also, a breeder breeds in order to improve the breed and to breed better than the parents - so would want to select from the litters for their own use first.

Get a life Nes.

The advert

Cost: £ 750 Location: Boston
'Authentic wolf lookalike puppies from hip scored parents with lovely temperaments. Sire is a Saarloos wolfhund x NI and dam is a Northern Inuit. This very special litter was created as part of a breeding programme to improve the health of they NI, by expanding the genepool and using health tested dogs, a few puppies are surplus to requirements and available to buy. Wolf grey and arctic white, including rare blue-eyed white boys and girls available. (Should the sought after blue-eyed whites be sold you can reserve one now from my next litter due in May). Fully wormed, vet checked, first vaccinated, microchipped, DNA profiled and insured. Home reared and well socialised, confident puppies ready beginning of May. Ring or email me now to find out whether yours could be a suitable home for one of these very special puppies.'

Which puppies were surplus to requirements and what requirements might they have been Lining your pocket perhaps 'Rare sought after blue eyed whites' talk about sales pitch And what happened to the carefully selected rescue stud dog Rehomed again wasn't he But at least he is somewhere decent now and hopefully free from exploitation simply for his 'sperm'

Not trying to be funny but where is this 'British wolfdog club', searching only points to the BIDC. Otherwise there seems to be no evidence of its existance- perhaps someone involved should explain what it is? Does it have a website or a database?

Rescue??? That dog was carefully selected and cost me a small fortune - I can guarantee there is no profit in any of the litters but I have gained two more dogs to expand my gene pool.

The dog was returned to his breeder since he threw white puppies which, as Akna so rightly guessed, was not what was wanted by me - although there are people who like them and the blue-eyed whites are sought after and yes, I know which of my bitches will throw blue-eyes if they have whites.

I am so pleased you take such an interest in my kennels though and have the time to scour the internet for my advertisements - you are doing wonders for the hits to my website lol

I told you - it is a REGISTRY - what do you expect to find for a registry???? Why would it have a website??? Of course it has a database

I thought this thread was started about breeders who were not telling people what they were getting.

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I just asked a question.

I have belonged to many clubs but never found a secret one before. If it is a register and regulating body then why can no one find any information on it? The only link I found clicked me straight to the BIDC website. Hence my question.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to supply a contact for the club and information about joining it?

Sandra you say you are breeding to further the breed.

They are crossbreeds of Inuits x saarloos so what breed are you furthering?

Sorry, didn't mean to sound snappy but certain people on here can be really irritating when they post with the soul purpose of intending to discredit - they are not breeders and have no idea what they are talking about.

The British Wolfdog Club is purely a registry for breeders of wolfdogs and wolfdog crosses. It is a means of keeping a database and keeping track of all the dogs being bred that DON'T fall under the category of being an Inuit. It doesn't have any function other than to keep a register and ensure that only tested stock are bred from.

It links to the BIDC since it was only set up in January this year and the BIDC caters for breeders of Inuits and all the pet owners if they wish to join.

Hope that makes sense - it was just necessary to distinguish between the two registries.

Where has I said I am breeding to further the breed?

I am breeding to breed healthier more viable dogs than pure NI. I suggest you read my website where I make it very clear what my intentions are.

Who is in control ofthis registry?

And just in case you missed my question

Sandra you say you are breeding to further the breed.

They are crossbreeds of Inuits x saarloos so what breed are you furthering?

Thanks. I have seen several references to it in past months, but never an explanation of what it does or is.

No I didn't miss your question but you seem to have missed my answer!

Thats ok - it was only set up in January and wasn't widely publicised. It probably wasn't felt necessary to publicise it outside of the breeders who would be using it. But it was necessary to distinguish between inuits, wolfdogs and wolfdog x inuit hybrids, as they are not the same thing.

Which I think brings us back nicely to what this thread was about.

Sansorrella i think the pups you have bred are a credit to you. they look gorgeous. if i were to think about buying one of this "type" id certainly consider one of these. i like the idea of the new blood. well done. cant help but feel some are a little bit jealous of you.

Very good post DL