BUA- The British Utonagan Discussions

But to my mind all the health tests they are now doing is a bit like shutting the gate once the horse has bolted! Absolutely too little too late!

Hi Louise. Sorry for not replying. We have been away for the weekend and just seen your question.

Yes I am, although I really could not imagine any responsible BSD owner even considering it

The elbow and eye testing became compulsory to brood bitches/stud dogs registered after 2009. Kiba's mum had her first litter in 2007.

ETA: just to note, Kiba is an NI and not a Ute so this is kind of out of context, sorry!

see this is where i get confused - she should still be tested now that it is complusory before being bred again.

Yeah i seem to have taken this slightly off topic sorry

The way I read it (and I could be completely wrong) is that it only applies to dogs/bitches born/registered after that time and that for dogs from before that time it is not compulsory. Otherwise there would have to be a lot more info available than there currently is.

Personally I think for the good of the breed they should all be tested for everything and I hope to get Kiba hip and elbow tested anyway, regardless of the fact that he will be castrated. But then I haven't really got much of a clue about breeding...so it's a good thing I'm not a breeder!

Just another quick thought, this line in the advert

is also ridiculous!! They make them sound like champions when really they have only won a few rossettes at what can only amount to local novelty shows, when I think of shows I think of proper KC regulated breed shows, which is no doubt what they hope potential new owners will also think, not a little show run by a club for their own members dogs

Yes it seems you are right, but the way i see it is the problems where there before it was compulsory other wise it wouldnt have become compulsory, so breeders should still test dogs that were born/bred before it came into place!

There are alot of breeds out there where no health tests are required nor reccommended, mine being one
But it doesnt stop breeders testing for known problems.

That was my point sorry If you aren't prepared to live with a dog that is from a working breed, then you shouldn't be looking at one of these dogs.

You have no idea what traits that cute little ball of fluff is going to have till they are fully mature. Mine was an angel till 12 months, by 18 months he was not to be trusted with anything small and furry, and can not be let off lead unless I feel it is totally safe.

Had loads of training and socialisation , and still does, but his natural instinct to run,and to hunt took over. I'm lucky I can fit keeping him happy, by working and training into our families life,he has another dog for company, and I work from home , not everybody can do that.

I wasn't suggesting you or anybody else got their dogs for looks alone, sorry Layla XXXXXXXX

Someone who is answering questions.
Someone who agrees with us that all the dogs should be tested regardless of the date it was made compulsarry.
Someone who isn't going to breed their ni, but still have him tested anyway.

You've got know idea how refreshing that is to read.

P.s.

Kiba is lovely btw.

You see...I can be nice sometimes lol.

Can I suggest you get him tested for Von Willebrands too, and speak to your breeder about it.

You can't really totally research cross breeds..especially when they are being crossed left right and centre and everything is based on lies or name changes etc..

Thank you for answering..its just I remember when you were all for it..and I was defending the malamute and was absolutely disgusted with the idea of them using mals to cross with now..
I hope now you can see my point if they were to consider using BSD's..

no need to say sorry

all valid points!
...after all a mish mash of 3 working breeds alone(4 according to some ;-) ) its not a recipe,splash of this, dash of that, cook for 40 mins......... ;-)

you and your handsome lad are lucky to have each other

... another note...why add sibes,forgetting any other reason....how many blue or bi eyed wolves are there?

Black wolves with white chest patches yes, blue or bi coloured eyes, def not.

I think he'd tell you I spoil his fun!:twisted:

I can see collie in some dogs;-) I guess nobody will ever know what exactly went into them:?


Good point about the Sibes, it was a badly thought out idea, that should have stopped by now , but sadly I don't think it will:?

:? It seems strange to start a thread welcoming questions, only to not continue answering any of the questions

It's because you can't LIE and cover it up when the truth is printed in black and white..and because we appear to be a bit more dog savvy than most people who want "a wolfy looking dug mate"..

Yep this thread has kinda backfired on Alady?? But that just shows the ignorance of these people!

I've got two very similar Like you I'm lucky that I can be with them most of the time. I even take them to work with me. They are very social animals, love people & other dogs. They will take as much exercise as you can give them and yes have a high prey drive. Furries in the home are accepted though, Ratty the Guinea Pig is one of Uzo's best pals;-)
We found the Ute's after researching Alaskan Malamutes. My main concern about owning a Mal was the same sex dominance possibility I was repeated told about from Mal owners. I really didn't want a large powerful dog I possibly could not fully trust around other dogs. Luckily I got what I expected from my Ute's in that respect.
Disgusting practice breeding at six month intervals & name changing! Don't know how these people sleep at night!!:-(

Thank you just makes sense to me is all. Plus I'm very curious as to what his hip/elbow scores would be and it would be useful to know for the future...it would also be a good idea for pet owners to have it done anyway as then a more thorough idea would be had as to the average breed score, not just the breeding lines. But you can't really force people to hip and elbow score dogs that aren't going to be bred from :-(

I will try to get this done as well...I'm hoping the vet will be able to do hip and elbow whilst he's being castrated as I'd rather not put him through too many GAs. But I need to find a trustworthy vet first the ones around here aren't worth their weight in bitter lemons.

You NEED to get it done BEFORE you have him neutered. If he is affected and Im told that some of that breeding IS affected, he could bleed to death on the table. If affected you need to be very careful even in every day life with these dogs. My boss has an affected Dobermann, the Vet has to keep plasma on standby, and should it be required, get your dog blood typed for future, if required.

Im not trying to scare you at all, please dont think that, but the "top" breeders of NI are VERY aware that its in the breed and are ignoring it, they are not passing on the info. You ought to have the DNA test done NOT the Elisa blood test. the DNA is difinitive, the blood test is spot on for affected animals but carrier/clear can be grey. That will only matter for breding though, you only need know if he is affected.