BUA- The British Utonagan Discussions

Sweet dogs but not AT ALL wolfie looking, as Louise said very much gsd collie x style dogs, not too disimilar to the kind of crosses you used to find very commonly around 15 years back and further, used to see a lot of these types about and everyone seemed to have a collie/shepherd type some quite shortcoated n others like bears!
Then again utes/n.i/new english spangled lupus hunds or whatever new name wants to be dreamt off to pass off poorly bred xbreeds to me don't look wolfy at all, even the wolfy ones just look like sibe/gsd crosses. And no i'm not against mongrels, i own one and she's lovely and would have more n more, but i'm the sort who calls a spade a spade, not a ute.

Is he listed on their website?

No not Sansorrella Sandra, Sandra Miller, Ute breeder and keeper of PUBLIC account on PB until I mentioned the eye certs on here. Fancy putting such personal info on a public account, Id be absolutely FUMING with her, what ever reason for it could there be? I men you dont use PB to upload to your website do you?

Yes he is listed as a BUA registered breeder (not yet accredited)

I know it was Nicci, cant for the life of me understand why Sandra would lie to Loraine about it.:? I thought she was her friend.

The British Ute is based on the Gray wolf so you are correct different breeders have a different perception of the look they desire, we do hope to maintain this also in the different colours of coat and slight difference in build we want to maintain a diverse breed that is not absolutely the same type, the same as wolves are, a general; conformation, breed standard is based on the physiology of a wolf, bone structure and movement, the colours are to be diverse as the wolf is.

We have a lot of dogs now with the correct coat, tail set, conformation, we want to improve on teh tail set, gait, ear set, length of coat, eye shape, better bone, larger front feet, mane.

We hae the ear set and eye shape and mane from the Malamute, the tight ears from the husky, narrow chest, sharper features,and also double coat, GSD gait, tail set, stronger muzzle, bone, all good level toplines, good strong stifle in Mal, to counter the length of stifle in the GSD, shorter tail in husky to counter GSD, there are many different reasons for all breeds, the Mal nature with children and humans, teh huskies aloofness and intelligence, the GSD willing to work. We expect to gain a lot of things from the GSD input, conformation being the main, and as they are a pastoral breed to counter the traits of the husky and Mal who are working and prey driven. We have a fair range of temperament in the dogs we have, some more passive, some pretty bolshy, some great at retreive some not interested, some great for pulling some not etc, we are pretty happy that no Ute has been reported to be aggresive in our register, and all dogs have a good temperament that are bred from, outgoing, confident and non aggressive. We hope to establish a family dog for the more expereienced owners.

I can assure you that was NOT the case

These pics are public and where on a forum.

Kate I disagree strongly with your statements also, as I have said on numerous occasions now that our dogs have a NON progressive problem, believe me I know, I collate all teh screens and the dogs are screened annually!!!!!

And most responsible breeders go on the advise of their specialists! Again this HAS NOT affected any dog and if it did they would all be pulled.

And for a gene that is easily found I cannot forsee why you would be advised not to breed the whole litter especially if they where clear as pups? ANd there is absolutely NO potential that our dogs will be visualy impaired as I have also told you on many occasions. Do you think tht people are not capable of researching these things in their own breed, every breed is different and every breed adxised on their own records and screens.

YES you have very much got it wrong AGAIN!!! it shows why you should not summise anything and again you are verging on misrepresentation....this puppy had a heart defect ALSO A SIGN FOR IS A SWOLLEN BELLY!!!!!!!!!

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AGAIN wrong......Unrecognised breeds are NOT stamped for the reason that we do not have any conditions listed in the hereditory disorders on Schedule A or B, we infact generally marked free of hereditory disease, as there is not enough info gathered yet, which is what BUA are working towards with the BVA...

No idea what pics you are on about as I cant see any, except Sandras dogs? And by the above I am sure that you taking a sentence completely out of context and blowing it up and banding about the internet that an old man was a puppy farmer you probably deserved to be shouted at....you said a lot worse if you ask me...

Alady??.. i have a question for you....

does the affix 'Nowitnas' mean anything to you?

Don't ya know, iz coz they've not got 2 veg between em like, an' i' makes em proppa rajd, so the' try t' pick on all yuz n uz on t' net coz it makes em feel proppa mint, ya know like well 'ard.

Well, thats how they'd put it round here...thats the polite version at least.

Mixing breeds to counter breed traits? So instead of this idealistic positive outcome what if it goes wrong and you produce large dogs with the natural protectiveness and confidence of the gsd but on a whole new level mixed with the prey drive, aloofness and independance of the mal and sibe? Cause that to me really sounds like a dog which is going to fit into every average home, and before I got cut off and told they only go to specific homes well this is for the most part a lie as I always see N.I and utes advertised on freeads, and not ads such as epupz which good breeders DO use, i'm on about general classifieds websites so apparently the owner isn't overly important! And as stated before to staisfy my own curiosity i contacted a few N.I, Ute & "wolf looking outcross" adds to just see things for myself, see if the rumours were true (which they were, bad conditions, shady tempered dogs, dogs in obvious poor health etc) and i viewed 11 litters throughout the west mids..i'd say 9 of these I felt pressured to buy and was asked NOTHING about my life other than which pup i liked the look of, or by one "breeder" "well i'd go for that dog as he's going to have a massive head like the stud, big teeth too, really go for the wild image when he's older"

how do you make a dog with the desired temp,out of three highly driven working breeds....im really stumped on that one.


splash of this,dash of that..its not a cake mix :-(

Just to remind you Dawn. And myself and Sandra have thoroughly slapped each other and I really dont think I will EVER speak to her again... as obviously I beleive yourself over her

These are the pictures that I have previously been sent and saw on the link that was posted.





Here's is the link to your website that shows him as a bua registered breeder.

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Neither would I, if a friend had lied to me like that and put my personal info into the public domain and not protected it, good on ya! All the info speaks for itself doesnt it, amazing when you click and see, but thanks for even considering I could hack an account, Im chuffed about that, when in actual fact it was a google search.

OMG those poor dogs, what shocking conditions.

When you consider that a lot of the 'breed traits' in this mix tend to start showing the problem issues during adolescence. Many GSDs are very chilled till they hit their second fear period -I know plenty of Sibes who stick to their owners like glue till about 10-12 months....

ohhh please you are a funny one!!!! some of the eyes tests we have done on our cresteds are not listed for the breed!! we still get a stamp...all that stamp does is prove that it was done by an eye specialist/vet!

It just doesn't sit comfortable with me at all, every dog has potential problems, but a cross off this sort goes disasterous if it "goes wrong". And after seeing a few dogs deemed as "breeding stock" who to me seemed quite unsocialised and skittish (and in the case of one stud dog fairly aggressive, but was passed as "protecting his pack from a stranger" as it hurled itself at me when the dogs were let out for me to meet ), it makes me really cautious of the potential inherit behavioural problems mixed with potential early environmental problems=disaster.

Thanks for answering that.

P.s.

I've seen the eye certs that are cached on google, by this Sandra person, are those the ones you're accusing Dawn of steeling?

Yep - I agree. Its like playing with fire.....and the owners to be will be the ones to get burnt.

This made me laugh!

How can they say what them pups will look like? The look like wolves, just as much as i look like Cheryl Cole!
haha!



£500 for a cross breed that looks just like a black GSD, i could get a pure bred GSD from health test parents, KC registered from an ethical breeder for that! ....