Breeding Help Discussions

Oh, you guys are British I see, that explains a lot...in America we do make money from the selling of dogs, lots of it, its called supply and demand and the demand for my breed is high. One of my girls schedule is right on track, while this one is doing something goofy, that's why I was reaching out to other breeders who may have run into similar problems and knew a solution. My apologies Carole for mistaking you for a google nerd, I have a lot of respect for what you do, though I have no desire to ever show and produce champions. Its too bad you don't have respect for us who just want to produce family pets.

Here's a question I have for you Brits...
Before getting a wheaten my first choice was an otterhound, the breed seemed and looked incredible to me, but when I looked for one I found that its pretty near impossible to find one because you guys almost drove them to extinction.
Why the decline...do you think maybe your breeding standards limited breeding so much you killed the otterhound?

Perhaps you don't understand that to be considered an ethical breeder, the dogs have to be properly health tested and have good bloodlines. I'm American and I don't want you grouping me with unethical breeders who breed just because there are people who want their puppies with no regard for improvement of the breed. I would never do what you're doing no matter what. And if I did do it, once I was educated, I would stop immediately instead of trying to defend myself as a backyard breeder.

Do you even register your puppies? What guarantees do you provide? If you're breeding to make money, you're doing it all wrong. You got advice from experienced breeders, so quit trying to blow it off. Thats what you asked for, right? Then accept it. 6JRTS, Carole, Malka, etc. are ALL people who have experience with breeding and gave you good advice and they don't need you saying they don't know what they're talking about. Do what you do, and keep doing it because nobody can stop you... But accept your title that goes with it. Unethical, money grabbing, back yard breeder. They're very common these days, so take solace in the fact that there's a nice big group of you guys and you're not alone.

Also, not all these people are "British". The majority of them are from the UK (not all) but that doesn't mean they're British.

Haha get over yourself...average Americans still get purebred pets because of my 'group'...unlike your group that almost killed the otterhound. Luckily America is going to rescue the breed.
How much do you show people sell puppies for? I'm sure you give them away right?...because that would be pretty hypocritical if you sold a puppy. Go ahead...tell the public how much you sell a puppy for

You are not breeding dogs for pets - you are breeding for MONEY.

I do not breed now, not since I left England - YES, I AM ORIGINALLY FROM ENGLAND. You have a problem with that?

May I suggest that you look for a Griffon Bruxellois - they are few on the ground in the US and will earn you a LOT of money if you find a bitch and a dog to breed them. You will then see how much we ethical breeders make/made from selling our 100% healthy puppies. I know that I lost more money than it cost me, especially as Griffons produce maybe two or three puppies.

This is primarily a British [calling us Brits is very insulting] site, and saying that we "killed the otterhound" is insulting, to say the least.

What you really mean is that you could not find an otterhound to breed from and sell her puppies for lots of dollars.

You are the worst type of back-yard breeder I have ever come across.

MONEY and THAT is what you want. You do not care about your dogs, they are just money machines for you.

Americans want pure-bred dogs? So how come there are so many kill "rescues" and so few proper rescues there?

Ach - people like you, breeding just for money, make me sick.

If you actually did as you said and "researched" the otterhound, then you would not have made such a ridiculous statement above.

I could write you a whole page educating you on the otterhound and its lack of popularity, along with its highly protective breed enthusiasts................ but I WONT !!

You have reacted typically true to form... "BYB" ! when questioned you come out with insults.

I would suggest if you ONLY want the answers you are seeking, them go find a forum that will accommodate your breeding practices.

I could give you an explanation as to why this mating may not be happening, but I don`t feel inclined to do so,

Us Brits tend to get our backs up, when idiots spout garbage !

I don't have a problem with england...oh except that you guys are destroying your country with liberalism which has been on full display here...I've also never heard 'Brit' being an offensive term, I will refrain from using it for the sake of your fragile feelings.
I'm a Libertarian. One of our core beliefs is that the best way to preserve animal groups is to allow private individuals to own, breed, and sell them on the free market...and yes for MONEY. Its a different type of thinking than yours. I know liberals have a difficulty accepting that not everybody thinks the same.
Its safe to assume that if my way of thinking was practiced with the otterhound, this dog with a rich history and past popularity would not be on verge of extinction. I would love to own a pair of otterhounds, you bet. I wouldn't be ashamed to be paid to help preserve the breed.

I'm sure your tax forms showed you 'lost money' ...on the chance that you actually did...where did you take them to give birth, the hospital? You would have to be trying very hard to lose money, especially at the price you show people sell pups. And let me tell you something, I know full and well your pups are worth every cent you sell them for, they are the top of the line...but I also know why you won't divulge your asking price...you are ashamed of making money, that's something this American will never get.

I am a backyard breeder, literally...but yes I do love my dogs and they are my pets. I have three female wheatens and one male. Bought them all as pups and raised them. Now I'm helping them find homes for their kids. Most of my buyers actually say they chose me because my dogs are part of my family. I tout that and not just because I know the market but because its true. I've sold puppies from Boston to California and even one to Mexico and I know for a fact that my puppies go to homes as a pet. Whether it has been an elderly person who had recently lost a wheaten, a leukemia survivor looking for a companion, or a young family looking for a Christmas present for their kids. My dogs are sold as pets not show...I respect what you do, I think its incredible and has its place, but there is a place for the pet market as well, where people just want to enjoy their animal as a family pet. My dogs are akc registered and come with a health guarantee, I take pride in my product, that is, the beautiful pups my dogs produce...I will also rehome dogs that I sell if the owners don't want them anymore, but haven't run into that yet. I don't go nearly as far as your 'ethics' because I find them ridiculous, stifling, and unnecessary, nonetheless, my puppies will have a great life for a dog.

I was not a show person, I bred Griffons to keep the breed pure, as advised by my mentor, and sold my puppies AFTER they had had their full puppy shots, not expecting the purchaser to pay for the shots, or for the time I had to keep the puppies. That was the custom in those days.

How much did I sell a puppy for? I GAVE one away as a companion for someone who had terminal brain cancer, to give him something to try to live for.

I GAVE a puppy away to a woman and daughter who had had their Griffon stolen.

And you ask me to tell the public how much I sold a puppy for?

Unlike you, a typical back yard breeder who uses their dogs as cash cows, I thought enough of my Griffon puppies to not look at them as MONEY MONEY MONEY.

Actually, I "sold" a puppy for a box full of perfumes, the husband of the couple working for one of the top London stores and the boxes were slightly damaged. Not the perfume, just the boxes. The offer started as a joke but they were a perfect couple for that puppy so I was more than happy that my puppy would have a perfect home.

Money does not come into it when you are breeding for health and to improve the breed if possible. Which you are obviously not.

Tell me, how much do YOU sell your puppies for?

Why did I do it? Because it seemed like a good idea at the time. They were a perfect couple for the puppy, so when the "deal" was offered, I was more happy that the puppy would have a wonderful home than earn a few pennies.

I like your couple examples of charity, good for you that was very nice, so what did you do with the other pups, sell them or give them away too?

My last litter sold for $900 a pup...I don't breed to 'improve the breed' that's you peoples job.

I am wondering how many of his puppies end up in rescue homes ?

OMG hope he's declaring his extra income with the IRA [individual Retirement Account]

In America when a person buys a dog it becomes THEIR property, which means if a buyer takes his dog to the pound its not my responsibility because I transfered the ownership. I offer to rehome as an option, but they choose what they want. Its safe to assume, seeing as my dogs are beautiful and people have paid upwards of $1200 to get a pup, that none will end up in the pound. If they did they would get out fast because someone would take them...but ultimately it would be the responsibility of the owner who is no longer me.

First you say you are a hobby breeder.

Then you say that you breed to make money.

Tax forms? What Tax forms? I was a divorced mother who could not work because I had a severely disabled daughter who was in and out of hospital, so I did not need to pay tax.

You want to know the MAXIMUM selling price in those days? And I did NOT show my Griffons. MAXIMUM - and I will say it in dollars for you, $160 - that is for ONE puppy when Griffons only have two or three puppies in a litter. Puppies from UK Kennel Club registered parents and registered with the UK Kennel Club by me and sold with full papers.

No wonder you are a byb if you get $900 for a puppy.

And do YOU register the income you make from selling them for tax?

AKC Registered Irish Soft-coated Wheaten Terrier Puppy bred from CC & BoB parents that have had full health checks sells for $750 over in America [have family out there that lives next to a AKC registered breeder]

Wheaten Terriers are known for being more prone to heritable diseases where the dog either fails to absorb essential proteins via the digestive system or where it loses it in the kidneys, before it being passed out via the urine. Called PLE and PLN, these disease can be fatal. So according to you you are breeding unhealthy puppies
"I don't breed to 'improve the breed' I think someone should contact the American Humane Association & get you closed down

Yes I do...but its kind of funny hearing the indignation of a person who just admitted to not paying taxes so worried about others paying taxes...the hypocrisy of liberalism.

Over here, at least, UKC sucks...just to be honest. AKC is a far superior registration. I see a lot of UKC dogs and they don't look right and consequently sell for less. You guys should model after us.

Yes, liberals have begun regulating dog breeding over here, which has caused dog prices to sky rocket...demand for purebred pups is high and supply is low.

Close me down? Haha...gonna take your toys and go home because someone's not doing something you like.

There's always going to be diseases and illness in the world...do humans still die of disease and cancer?...do you guys really believe you can breed out all diseases and illnesses in dogs?

For your information, a person who does not work does not have to pay taxes. And if YOU had a baby who had been in hospital having major hip surgeries since the age of 13 months, YOU would not be able to work or pay taxes.

But I bet you do not pay taxes of what you take for the puppies you sell.

As for your disgusting comments about the UK KC - the AKC is not superior. It is like the BYBs of which you are one. Cr@p.

Oh, and it is like your spelling and grammar. The word is HERE and not HEAR.

Ignorance always shows when dollars are offered.

No like I said I have family living in America next door to AKC registered breeder, it takes just seconds for your post to be emailed to the AKC & to the American Humane Association I am sure they will be only to please to read that you wrote "I don't breed to 'improve the breed'