18 month Pitbull (type) General Chat

Nice post. As it has been said before, they will feel pain, but the adrenaline is such that it acts as a 'local anaesthetic' during the fight. I run a kickboxing school and I 've known fighters carry on with broken ribs, noses and arms and not feel a thing, but later on - ouch! Been there myself. One hour post fight everything hurts. These dogs are stitched up and treated sfter the fight when the adrenaline is still strong, and adrenaline stays in the system for over three days.

Yes it is, its just that you guys say it better than me!

To be fair Dawn your original theory was pb's dont feel pain then the goal posts changed and you decided after some one else mentioned adrenaline that yip they could possibly feel pain, you also said EBT don't even come close to PB's why is that iyo ? being the pb 's wieght is 16 to 24 kilos, I know a lot of big EBT which wiegh a lot more and no they aren't fat...EBT are very fast and agile though do look like they aren't . don't judge a book by the cover...

Im sorry Elaine but you are reaching now! My first post on pain was:

AGAIN I reiterate to you I was talking about FIGHTING, NOT the dog as a pet. I really cant put it any plainer.

Re the EBT, yes the PB is in a different league as far as power, stamina etc is concerned. A friend of mine has been showing them for years, you may know of her, Eileen Foy (Foyri) I have had much to do with them and they are one of the most altered breeds there are, totally alien in skull alone to what they were when they did the jobs they were bred for. Im not slamming them, in fact I like them a lot, but they ahve NOT been developed over the years as a fighting machine dedicated to crushing and destroying its opponant, has it? The PB has, still is and always will be because they fit the bill for idiots that think its cool to fight dogs. The Bull Terrier, like the Stafford has been geared more towards a pet than anything else over many years.

whatever bits you want to cut and paste and copy from any where else you'd like its all here in black and white, thanks...
being that the history of the pb is unknown and what they do know from america is the pb was initially bred to work not fight kinda blows the misconception of the pb being bred to FIGHT out the water...oh and yet another name drop, good for you lollll !

Just painstakingly gone over all 13 pages, and cant see anywhere where Dawn has not linked pain and fighting together.

So you are right it is all down in B/W

Pit bull /pain/fighting all are linked together in her posts, but I guess we can all read into things what we want to see.

Thanks JB your probably right x

What ever the origins of the Pit, the pit of today and especially in the UK /Ireland /US and some European countries , its sole purpose is bred to fight.

As other bull breeds over yrs of selective breeding have had the FIGHT bred out... sadly the Pit has it bred IN..

So I think that keeps it firmly IN the water

Are you serious? The history of the PB unknown??? Its as much known as most other breeds, google it, go see. You keep referring to balck and white, I KNOW what I have said, its you that dont "get it" and cant accept what I was referring to, but thats fine, I understand.

Name dropping? Yes, if you want any info on the Bull Terrier Eileen will help you, she is very experienced. As I said to you once before, knowing experienced people in different breeds gives one a broader base to work from, Im lucky that I have made friends in many breeds, and I hope to meet many more in the future.

Thanks Jackbox, I think its called "grasping at straws!"

Whos rude now?

Yeh we all have different opinions but whose to say i am right or you are right??

Does anyone know??

Can animals talk??

When you are in pain and noone believes you and they say you are faking it then perhaps you will change your mind?

By the way I have worked with 3 vets of the Royal Veterinary college and trained under a fellow of the BHS.

Yes said i wasnt going to look at this again but new that you and Dawn wouldnt resist a chance to start another debate..

I dont actually like arguing but it is something i feel strongly about....people ignoring a veterinary problem and saying animal is putting it on....this is as cruel as anything else IMO

Also you say that i havent seen it but i have seen people saying there animal is putting it on.
Mainly horses not dogs...but imo it is just a change in circumstances

ie. an animal may have a problem that comes and goes....perhaps it was the dog being travelled for longer on way to a show and cramped up in a crate....or a horse being warmed up on hard ground before going into the ring that brings it on....and because he was fine yesterday at home people think he is faking it.....
i dont buy it.

Welcome back!
So we can all have different opinions, but you said I was wrong? How is that allowing for opinion? Thats you dictating you were right and I was wrong!

The trouble is, when someone opes the door to rudeness they will invariable get back what they dish out.. such as...

That is why we have vets to examine and determine the outcome of the complaint...and in their own way yes they can talk...

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Sorry , dont understand the reasoning behind that??

This is not a new debate, , just new posts...yours included.

As you say, we all are allowed an opinion, just because we dont agree does not mean one is less than the other.

Why would believing a dog can fake a limp be classes as cruel.??

As in a process of elimination, one would take that view after a reoccurring lameness has had all medical intervention ruled out.

Where did anyone say they had not had a suspect lameness investigated???


As you say, some "fake " lameness can be a learnt behaviour after an injury... (as my vet suggests) sometimes their brain will continue to tell a animal it is in pain, long after the injury has healed.

By the way any horse who goes lame after working in on hard ground..will have a problem to begin with.. a sound horse will not go lame just because he has done a little work on hard ground... otherwise we would not be able to do road work!!!

It is also possible for a dog to learn that lameness can get them a reward...just like any other habit /behaviour they learn.

It is more than likely to have had an injury in the first place...i.e a cut paw, stone in a shoe..

It is not beyond the realms of possibility for a dog to pick up such habits , they learn to equate actions with reward...

And that is fine, it is your opinion... but for those who know their animals and their habits, they will also know if it is put on or not.

I do not claim to be an expert on dogs, but i am on horses.

What has road work got to do with it??
It may be way you phrased it but do not understand what you mean.

What i meant was that if you usually ride your horse on the soft, then you go to a competition..warm up in a hard field...then go into ring and horse is lame maybe the horse has a mild underlying problem that came out due to the hard ground thus owner thinking horse "put it on" just for competition:?

No, I phrased it correctly... road work being what it says... it is self explanatory , I think..

Its must be nice to proclaim oneself an expert...Even the most knowledgeable people I know in both dogs and horses..would not go so far as to call themselves experts.

Is`nt that what I said , if you have a horse that is "footy" after working in on a hard surface, it will mean it has some form of problem...be it from something simple as a bruised sole.. to more serious problems...some horses like hard ground some soft, some are footy on one and not the other, and that may also contribute to a horse looking unsound....

Where did I say horses " put it on " purely for competition...

You didnt say only for competition it was just an example ( i have heard it said many a time).

Do not take it all so personally Jackbox it is not against you.....as said we will have to agree to differ.

Yes, said expert on horses, but i am not bigheaded may have come over that way but i know there is always more to learn...I dont claim to know everything!!
I just meant i know more about horses than dogs.

The thing that worries me most is that some people (again not you) but some people DO NOT check their animals because they think they are faking it...therefore i think it is a dangerous thing to spread around.

Can we leave this now?? And let the Pitbull debate return.
Lets agree to disagree.

Pit's feel pain like any other dog, end of that one lol

With an attitude like that I pray you never get hold of one, what a polite ADULT you are!

Tera, I understand that you feel passionate about the subject but it really won't get you anywhere if you have that attitude (I see admin has 'modified' your post). It's best to keep a level head and explain things, rather than be unpleasant.;-)

Welcome to the Forum though