Utonagans and Northern Inuits ????? Purpose ! Discussions

i think you misunderstand me ls. i was referring to many people who have posted on this topic - and not to the exceptions - who i don't think it fair to list, but there are a good many people who have been as informative, helpful and patient, as others have been rude.

i think sue understood what i was trying to say sadly, i'm not often as clear as i'd like to be.

(eta. i do know a reasonable amount about rat genetics though i made it my business to know as much as possible about the rats before i started breeding... but entirely off topic! )

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Thanks sutty - it does, usually.

Thank you Zoundz - I wasn't clear, which is why I asked the question and said, "forgive me".

wolfie - is there really any need to be so hostile all the time? as i said above, you have evidently misunderstood the point i was trying to make. please could you stop being so defensive and hostile? :?

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Good for you then! You know more than I do, even with a background in science

glad you 'get me' no LS - and can everyone forgive me also, for not using caps where i should... i managed to spill wine on my shift key so it's not working properly,. and i always forget to use the one on the right side of the keyboard

glad you understand me now anyway! i wasn't generalising at all - or speaking of owners of any breed in particular, i'm just a bit saddened by thed rudeness of some, and theway some jump to awful conclusions

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You're drinking wine? ;-)

Probably going to sound terribly ignorant but the first I heard of Utes and NIs was on Dogsey, so bare with me :?

I would like to know which breeds made which dogs? If anyone can help, have been reading through but have been getting confused with which has GSD and Sibe and so on.

Also if you breed a NI for example from husky and Gsd, does that mean that all dogs born of husky/gsd mix are NIs? Or is it just the ones that look like wolfs?

Honestly just curious, dont want to get involved in all the politics

actually an interesting point zuba - i would also, purely out of mad curiosity, be interested to knwo at what generation it becomes an ni/ute and no longer a mixed breed...? i mean, presumably now, breeding is being done just ni to ni and ute to ute... but when it all started?

just interested!

and no - i'm not drinking wine... yet... though there *is* a bottle in the fridge calling to me... its one of those days lol

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Siberian husky, alaskan malamute, GSD..
This is from the NI society on the breed:
There are many admirers of the Timber Wolf but it is not practical or fair to keep these wild animals as domestic pets. The aim of the founders of this breed was to satisfy this love of the wolf, by creating a breed that resembled the wolf in appearance while having the loyal and affectionate nature required of a family companion. A Court case was fought in 1995, which proved the Northern Inuit is not a wolf dog hybrid. The Northern Inuit is merely a wolf look-a-like with wolfish qualities.

Brief History (a full detailed history is soon to be published in a book)

In the late 1980’s various northern breeds of dog were selected for type and size (including the Husky and Malamute) and another breed for trainability (the German Shepherd). These were carefully bred over several generations to create the Northern Inuit. In the early years a handful of other dogs (from these same breeds) were brought into the breeding programme to improve the breed by expanding the gene pool and setting certain characteristics. For many generations now the Northern Inuit has been bred pure, Northern Inuit to Northern Inuit, and a definite type has been established.

I hope it`s OK to put this here ;O)

it says that there were 'various northern breeds of dog... including husky and malamute' which means there must be others too? unless it's just badly worded... any ideas what the other breeds are anyone?

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Hi Zoundz I think it is easy to pinpoint this to only NI and Ute threads but almost all discussions I have seen often turn far more heated than this. I think the very reason that this remains an open thread denotes that it hasn't gone to severely off the tracks...just yet.

It is people with different ideas and opinions that's all nothing more and any tone only says something about people in general not the NI not the Ute or any other dog infact. Some times people will be umm people

i think it`s badly worded .. as far as i am aware... and i have done as much research as possible.. prior to getting an NI.. the 3 breeds stated at the beginning of my post are the only 3 breeds used in the creation of the NI. But NIs are no longer crossed with any other breed.. only NI to NI.

Hi Zuba...no it means that would be a direct cross. an NI or Ute at this stage is a dog from other NI's or Ute's as cross breeding is now in the past. Is that what you meant?

Thanks I think you managed to put it better than me I was trying to ask with out it sounding like I was making a point :?

Oh now I see, I didn't realise that the breed had already been substantuated and now only breeding occurs between NIs, right? Sorry I honestly have no clue

think that was what i was *trying* to say mys... lol! just a bit fuggy headed this morning - feel ill with this cold, and have just rememberd i have until 5pm to work out my entries for saturday's taunton rat show... aaarrrrrgggggh!!

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Correct.. the NI has been esablished and pure bred for many years.

So how long is it since Utes and NI's split from each other and were they the same breed before the split?

Sorry but that is the bit that baffles me .....I have read the thread through (and very interesting it is too) but couldn't find if anyone actually knows this, sorry if it has been answered