Would you pay £120. Questions

im not saying it is wrong to try and sell them. im trying to make a point that people getting puppies from rescues isnt supporting the breeder, the people who had jake didnt make a penny off of the pups, even though they couldve so getting him from a rescue wasnt supporting them. all the puppies from his litter went to new homes the day they went up for rehoming, i doubt they could have gone as fast if they tried finding homes themselves.

lauren

How is getting a 'second hand dog' from a rescue supporting breeders?

The people who give pups to rescues don't make any money, but they don't have any incintive to get their dogs neutered/spayed either, they could have litter after litter just giving the dogs to rescues because they can't be bothered to get their dogs spayed, they still have a outlet for their pups, and are not being over run by them, although they are not making any money they can still be the worse, they get to see the cute things, but then get rid of them to rescues to rehome them, so by getting a rescue you could be saying to these sort of people that its allright to do so. So you could look at it two ways.

This is where it gets difficult. To my mind there should be no reason for these accidental litters - people who really care would not allow any accidental mating to result in a litter.

BUT in reality it does happen, not everyone is clued up about being able to terminate the pregnancy and yet more don't even think about the fact that there are already too many unwanted dogs.

I agree that in most cases it will be better for the pups to go straight into a forever home - but then it does depend on that forever home. Not all, but a good proportion of those who have 'accidental' litters will be more interested in getting rid of the pups than ensuring they go to the right home.

Things are very rarely black and white. I just wish that people were better educated about how many homeless dogs there are and how accidental litters can and do add to this problem just as much as the BYB/puppy farms.

This is wishfull thinking, and i DO wish it would happen

i'm not just talking about pups, but not all dogs come from BYB's.

older dogs originally came from a breeder to the owner via payment.
owner then gives the dog up to rescue, for whatever reason.

breeder has had money and has no care for the dogs future. thats how its indirect.

Most rescues that I'm aware of who take in litters will encourage (and often pay for) the mother to be spayed. No they can't force them, but I think they do have quite a good success rate at convincing the owners to have it done.

Yes it is wishful thinking, but at least those choosing rescue are making an effort to make it a reality.

To some extents, your argument does hold up in respect of rescues that take ex-breeding bitches from puppy farms; that is one situation I really can't decide what is best - I hate the thought of the bitches being PTS once their usefullness is done but I also hate that the thought that it gives the puppy farmers such an easy 'out'.

But with respect to the average rescue dog - No, I don't agree with your argument. If breeders would've taken responsibility, there would have been no need for rescue centres in the first place.

i think the number of people doing that will be very small. why would someone want to have pups to just hand them in to rescues when they have all the cost involved with a female having pups? They would be making a loss, so i doubt people would do that. it doesnt make sense to. and if you're saying you can look at it like that, then its basically saying no one should get a dog because one way or another (no matter how indirectly) you are supporting breeding...

lauren

People like that don't care about the welfare of the dogs/pups, but it does and can happen, a rescue local to us every six months is having pups from the same place, that will dry up soon though as the rescue has gone bust.

but people getting dogs (whatever age) from a rescue aren’t supporting the breeder because they aren’t giving a penny to the breeder! It’s the person who hands them into the centre that has already supported them, so the damage is done. they are the ones who have given the breeder money, not the person adopting from the rescue, they have nothing to do with it

lauren

if they don’t care about the welfare of the dog or pups, then why breed them? BYB and puppy farms don’t care about the welfare either but they breed for money so they have a reason, no matter how horrible and disgusting it is, whereas to breed and just hand into centres makes no sense

lauren

Also people in the situation that my parents were in could not get a dog from a rescue at all, living in a country area there is only one local rescue that rehomes to that area, the others say that its not in their catchment areas, and that rescue wont rehome dogs in house holds with children under the age of eight.

I done this thread because I was ashamed of the amount that the dog cost, and I wanted to know what other people thought, whether they would pay that or not.

I have grown up with dogs from rescue homes, the family have taken dogs from people who don't care, I've even gone out looking before and caught a dog that was running wild, with just my sheer determintion for staying up where it was in all weathers until the dog was in a kind of trusting mood, to find out that it had escaped while the owner was in hospital and the dog walker let it out accidently, I have also taken a Akita from a home where it was used as a fighting dog, and found a new home for it, same as a Rottie who was abused, found him a new home to, there have been other stories where a dog has been a rescue that we have had, even if it didn't come from a rescue, and now people have been comparing a person who had a accidental litter to a puppy mill if someone never knew that a dog could get a female pregnant after it was neutered they wouldn't of thought twice about the dogs tying, so not of thought about getting the litter terminated.

People can not judge people by their mistakes, as that is how everybody learns or where they get their pup from over the internet if the pup was brought from one loving home enviroment to another.

If you were judging the my other dogs breeder then yeah I would sit back and let you, if we never took him he was going to be dumped and left to die, he was also attacked on a daily basis by another dog, a adult whippet, that is the scum who you need to be beating on, not some poeple who just had a accidental mating, but took care of the pups anyway, did everything that they could for them to gaurentee them good homes.

they don't care and they breed them as they can't be bothered to get the adults spayed or neutered, even if the bitch is getting severly over bred, they still wont give it up though, the dogs live in the garden and the male mounts the female whenever she is season, and then the pups get surrended after they are between 4 and 6 weeks old.

I would rather rescue a mixed breed than purchase one from a breeder.

i see it up here all the time. out comes the sign for pups for sale every summer. and they sell them all.

if i could, i'd love to know how many end up at the rescue centre!

as much as its not right, it happens and will continue to happen howevermuch we slate it all on here.
mass education will not happen as breeding dogs will always be at the bottom of any government lists. we just have to hope that one day it might stop.

CHAZ

if your not comfortable with paying £120 then offer what you feel is more just. it might work! good luck.

I can unsure you my knickers are most certainly not in any knotted state.

But what is the incentive there to keep on raising litter after litter? They will be losing either on sleepless night – cuz puppies do that however you keep them if are to survive, if they were that uncaring they would just drown the pups not hand them over to rescue where they will be pressure to get their dogs done.

I also disagree that by getting a rescue from a reputable rescue you are encouraging byb's.

From whats been said on here dogs in rescue do not come from reputable breeders as they would take the dogs back and be ‘contracted’ to do so.

So it is bad breeders, accidental litters etc who’s dogs end up in rescue.

(of course it depends on what you call good breeders but lets not get me started on that one)

Could your parents not looked for a reputable breeder or did they actually want a lurcher? Also many many rescues will rehome throughout the country regardless, so long as home checks etc work out.

I think the thread has gone off at a tangent (probably my fault) but they often do and as here raise some interesting points.

But why are you ashamed of the what you paid or your parents paid?

Its not your breeder per se but all byb’s, if you want to have dogs in your life its your responsibility to ensure the health, safety and care for your dog – including looking up on the internet about dogs tieing and bitches catching and dogs still being fertile but ok not everyone has access to the internet (another bug bear of mine but another story altogether). I do still find it difficult that a rescue (then again given the breed Im not) would allow a dog to go to a home with a bitch in season.

Unfortunately and not a go at you or your breeder, it’s the dogs that pay for those mistakes – many with their lives.