What do you think? 1 year on... ID this breed/mix

Last year, I asked what breeds people thought there could be in jake. he was a wee puppy back then, but now is nearly 15 months old so thought it might be easier to tell now that he is older. He has changed a lot over the last year! so what does everyone think? there are certain breeds whose behaviour he has, and it doesn’t matter in the slightest what breeds he is, coz I will always love him but I just think it is fun and interesting to here what people think ive tried to get a mix of pics to show him from different angles we do have a few ideas as to what we think he is, but its always good to hear from a variety of people

this is an old pic, but it shows his ear shape well












so, what’s your guess?

I would say definite GSD, likely Collie and possibly something else!

His tail does appear quite "Spitzy" in some pics, but I'm not sure if that's just the pics?

GSD for sure. Also definitely something cute and also something handsome!

still think BC x EBT, or a Huntaway.
I dont see any gsd at all.

Going by the first pic, I think collie x bat Those ears are fantastic!!!

He is lovely - I adore that nose
I dont see any GSD in him, and I dont think he is stocky enough for bull terrier type
Deff collie - he might just be a badly bred collie or collie x some kind of terrier

- my friends collie curls his tail over his back like that

What weight is he??
What breed behaviours do you see in him??

Still a Collie cross. I don't think you'll ever have a good idea of what exactly he is as he is probably a multi-generation cross, or Heinz 57.

I don't see any English Bull Terrier at all...

Well my guess is... he's GORGEOUS!!! He has grown into a fabulous dog Lauren, you should be proud as you have grown together.;-)
I don't see EBT in him to be honest, not stocky enough or sharp faced, I see a bit of GSD, a bit of collie and a bit of something else... me thinks you could have that beautiful dog that is the Heinz 57....lovely!!

i think GSD and BC too, and his tail is always like that

thanks i see the GSD too... especially with some of his marking and some of his behaviour and movement always remind me of a GSD... and this pic

i think EBT too, and one of my work friends saw him for the first time the other week and the first thing she said was that she could see loads of SBT in him.

his ears went through a total crazy stage, they dont do that anymore... well, the left one does but the right one is just floppy but it shows his ear shape well

thanks

i think he definitely has BC in him, but i think he has a high chance of GSD and bull terrier... he isnt really stocky, but his chest is quite large (and over the last few months, i have notice it has got bigger) and his chest is really deep. i have met quite a few crossbreeds with a tail similarish to jakes, but his curls to the side where other dogs i have seen have theirs more curved over the top. one dog is a JRTx unknown, and the other is a GSDxHusky and looks similar to jake, but his features are more sharp and he has no white

he is 22in and weighs about 23kg, i am trying to get his weight up to 25kg coz he has lost some.

I’m not an expert on any of the suspected breeds , but I have read a lot about them over the last year, and have obviously seen them about, so I have been judging his behaviour on that he drops to the ground when waiting for his ball to be thrown like BCs do. he also sometimes tries to 'herd' other dogs, and circles dogs. he also has the BC fixation on just about everything that moves , and when he sees other dogs or animals etc a bit away from us, he does the BC thing of standing stock still with his head lowered carefully watching. he also loves his ball, and wants it thrown constantly. even in the house he always brings a ball and drops in on everyones lap

he is so unbelievably energetic and will keep going for hours on end, and his is so agile but when its needed, he will be nice and calm, just sitting quietly. he also is intelligent and is very boisterous when he gets too excited. He is also assertive with other dogs, but never aggressive. If a dog is annoying him etc though, he will tell them off but nothing more. He definitely shows terrier behaviour when he is over by rabbit holes, and becomes so fixated on them that when he reaches that stage there is no stopping him or calling him back (there is now an area of the park which I refuse to walk him in offlead, because there are loads of rabbits). He also does the terrier thing of shaking things when he has them in his mouth. he is a crazy digger, he does it all the time and is pretty good so I think there is terrier in there, but whether it is EBT, SBT or JRT etc I have no idea

he is also such a determined wee b*****, eg. If he loses a ball in the long overgrown grass at the park or woods etc, he will not leave until he has found it. if it is somewhere I can see but cant reach, then I literally need to drag him away coz he will want to stay till its found. When he is searching, he does a very thorough job . one of his favourite games is ‘find’ although, a lot his behaviour etc could be from a whole numer of breeds...

oh and he also sheds all year round

I will never know but he will always be my special unique boy

Thanks I am so proud of how he has turned out, he is a fantastic dog and I couldn’t have asked for better and, whatever is in him, I think he is stunning

what about him do you lot see as GSD?

Ive seen tons & tons of GSD/ Collie Xs, tons of them & they dont look like this.

That new pic above when hes lying down looksvery EBT!!!!

What I think, honestly, I see Collie in him, not really German Shepherd, not sure what else, but looking at his genetics, he appears to have the tan point gene, which is recessive gene, so both parents would have to be breeds, or cross breeds that carry it, the border collies do I think, but theres also the issue that he could have two, or even ten or more breeds in his make up.

I don't see EBT in him, maybe Staffordshire, and I have seen Staffies with sticking up ears (I had one here for a while), but I would think maybe a terrier, possible JRT, more then likely if there is that in there a bigger one, but I don't know, I don't really think that anyone will ever know apart from his breeders if they know the breeds in his dam and sire (and I do know that you go thim from a rescue, but he had to come from somewhere )

But based on his coat, with the tan points being recessive, I'd be thinking of breeds that carry that colour (staffs can be that colour too, but its against the breed standard), but you would have to think of what breeds his parents can be, and each one would have to carry this rescessive gene in them, but might not have show tan points, but when both of them bred the gene for tan points could of matched up in some of the puppies if both parents only carry it, or one carries it and one shows it, but if both had tan points then all of the pups would show tan points. Do you know what the other pups in the litter looked like?

Heres a quick link that I found on google about the tan points and the genes, it is for pit bulls here, but it does explain some of the genetic stuff about the other colours too, but knowing whether all the pups had tan points, or only some should help narrow down breeds.

http://www.americanpitbull.co.za/Black & Tan dogs.html

I also think I heard somewhere that a dog is more likely to show white markings then not, but I can't remember where I heard that, or find anything to back it up, so I don't know if thats true or not.

In the last picture i can see a bit of EBT in him. I also see some 'Cassie' in him too which makes sense as she is collie x Greyhound with a bit of EBT. Here is a pic that shows what i mean:



Her nose is longer but thats the greyhound! Then there is the ears too:



So if you took out the greyhound an added something else i think they would look quite alike As for the something else i can see a hound of some sort in there.

I just think his colouring/markings and behaviour are GSD. The tan on his legs goes really high up, its hard to see on some pics coz its all mixed in with the black but I will take pics of it to show it. sometimes when he runs in a certain way, it always makes me think GSD. there are pics I have seen on the internet of BCxGSD, and some of them look very similar to jake… well, I think

Oh, I hadn’t even thought of the genetics of his colouring!... that link was really interesting, I didn’t know that tan was a recessive gene. Thanks

I saw 3 of his littermates… all four of them looked very similar, and were all tri-colour. Mainly black, with white on the face, chest and paws, with tan on the legs and one of the pups had tan eyebrows. Jake didn’t have much tan on his when he was a pup, but it has spread and he has loads now so I assume his littermates probably did the same. Jake was the only one I saw with a curly tail though

Aw, I see what you mean! Cassie is such a cutie, and I love those ears! I can see EBT quite a lot, and when he pants, his mouth and eyes go the way EBTs do… its uncanny

I can see collie, JRT and possibly staff in there? LOL Maybe even whippet or grey hound some where to, who knows - but he is a sweetie

Its sooo funny what people see, Because to me his colour ISNT GSD, its BC (and also comes in EBT! )
if you lok at pics of Bi Coloured & Black & tan GSD youll see his coat pattern just isnt right

How big is he? I think that may be the decider is GSD is in there or not?

If that was the whole litter I would be expecting both of his mum and dad to have been tri-colour too, as genetically speaking if both had tan points then all they would be carrying is tri points, so all puppies would have tan points (be either black and tan or tri colour), if only one parent had them then around half would be expected to have them, as all puppies would get the resessive gene from one parent, and in theory only half would get the matching resessive gene from the other parent, and if both parents were just carriers then around a quarter will have been born with tan points.

So as all the ones that you saw (and assuming its the whole litter) had tan points I'd say that the parents were mixes of breeds or were pure breeds that carry it, so there it goes from the parents having two/three different breeds in them at least (as if both parents are pure breeds then it would still be two, as I really don't think that he is a result of two pedigrees as he's so unique) but if just one was a pedigree then the other would have to contain at least two breeds in them that carry the tan point gene, and be that colour, and then if both were cross breeds then they would both have to carry at least two breeds that are that colour, confusing yet? Of course though they may also both carry simalar of the same breeds in them. So good luck knowing what Jake is, if you can understand all that I just wrote, I was trying to keep it small

I would go along with BC and EBT. But it is hard to see when depending on what pose he's in he looks so different. :?

He's a gorgeous boy no matter what his history but I understand your desire to know more. Being the owner of a JRT who looks nothing like a JRT , I would love to know what exactly went into making up my girl!

Whatever he is, he is just gorgeous as ever
The tail is confusing though - REALLY curly!

but the tan on his legs goes up higher than i have seen on any tricolour BCs and EBTs. i have taken some pics of it, but the flash makes it a bit hard to see how high up it is. Im not sure how clearly you will be able to see this, coz I can see it… but I know its there so its easier for me but it shows how high up the tan goes, it is mixed in with the black though so it can be hard to see in pics from a distance. it is gradually spreading and coming through more stongly though.

back leg… (thats his tail btw)


this pic comes up the right way in photobucket, but not on here :?


front leg…


so its coz of how high that the tan goes up, that makes me think he is very GSD markings wise…

he is about 22in, and 23kg just now but getting him back up to 25kg.

i think i get it will need to do a wee bit of reading about it when i get a chance lol.

thanks yeah, it doesnt matter to me what he is made up of but i just think its interesting to know... and its always nice to know (or think you know ) where they come from... it is fun to guess what he is though

lol, it would be interesting to know what lily was made up of, with that colouring

thanks lol, his tail certainly is the confusing thing about him