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    UK GSD History

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    The Picardy Kennel started in 1916, by Lt-Col Baldwin.
    Ch Cillahson of Picardy 22 CC's , date of CH staus 25/6/1925 KCBS no. 836 EE
    sire: Allahson of If dam Cilla of Picardy ( Cilla du Han, correct name) imported from France, a lot of the early dogs had their names changed when registered with the UK KC, due to the anti German feelings after WW1
    A few examples;
    Diana of If also known as Diana of Humboldtpark correct name Dierma v Humboldtpark
    Ch Lady of Flora correct name Gelma v.d. Flandersbach
    Caro of Welham correct name Caro v. Blasienberg Dora of If correct name Dora v. Humboldtpark
    I have been informed that Undaunted of Picardy was exported to Australia,
    Sire Cillahson of Picardy
    Dam Cillamaid of Picardy
    Undaunted 2:2 on Cilla of Picardy (du Han)
    The first imports to the UK werent registered as a seperate breed but as Foriegn Sheepdogs. According to Joesph Schwabacher the Alsatian Wolf-dog Club was formed in August 1919, but according to Nem Elliot it was formed in 1918. In 1919 there were 54 Alsatians registered, it was in 1919 that 'Alsatians' were given seperate breed status and taken off the Foreign Dog register. The first Champ shows were held in 1920 and the Alsatian League was formed in 1924 these two clubs merged and was then called the Alsatian League and Club of Gt. Britain later known as the German Shepherd Dog League of Great Britain.

    UK Champions 1920

    Date of qualification: 23/6/1920

    Southwold Wisdom (D) KCBS no. 1,233AA 3 CC's
    sire; Southwold Wolf dam; Southwold Flora Breeder; Capt. Whitaker

    Fearless of Mattesdon (B) KCBS no. 97AA 4 CC's
    sire; Southwold Wolf dam; Southwold Flora Breeder Capt. Whitaker


    Date of Qualification: 7/9/1920
    Marie of Nisbet (B) KCBS no. 252AA 4 CC's
    sire; Macson of Mattesdon dam; True of Mattesdon Breeder H. Robbins

    Date of Qualification: 8/9/1920
    Felix of Fairway (D) KCBS no. 189AA 4 CC's
    sire; Deal of Ponthieu dam; Ginette de Terraqueuse Breeder Lord Brabazon of Tara

    UK Champions 1921

    Date of Qualification 16/2/1921
    Lady Flora (Gelma v. Flandersbach) (B) KCBS no. 1,218 AA 3 CC's
    sire: Flott v. Winnfeld dam: Elsa v.d. Riedekenburg Breeder: P.Hermanspann

    Date of Qualification 23/6/1921
    Rolf of Nisbet (D) KCBS no. 1,227 AA 3CC's
    sire: Rolf v.d. Schoneyg dam: Ch Fearless of Mattesdon Breeder: H Robbins

    Date of Qualification 21/7/1921
    Gray Shadow (B) KCBS no. 177BB 3CC's
    sire: Rolf v.d. Schoneyg dam: Cilla of Picardy (du Han) Breeder Lt.-Col. Baldwin
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    Fab thread , thanks for the info xx
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    Southwold Wolf male ancestors;
    Roland > Pollux > Kastor > Horand Grafrath > Hecktor Schwaben > Roland Park > Hussan Park > Visar Park > Southwold Wolf.


    Macson Mattersdon male line ancesters:
    Unknown > Mac Mattesdon > Macson Mattesdon


    Deal of Ponthieu male line
    Unknown > Pax Brenztal > Luchs Hermaringen > Artur Wurtenberg > Deal Ponthieu

    Flott v. Winnfeld male line
    Roland > Pollux > Kastor > Horand Grafrath > Hektor Schwaben > Pilot > Wolf Balingen > Graf Eberhard Hohen Esp > Munko Boll > Horst Boll > Jokel Hallberg > Flott v. Winnfeld

    Rolf v.d. Schoneyg male line:
    Roland > Pollux > Kastor > Horand Grafrath > Hektor Schwaben > Heinz Starkenburg > Roland Starkenburg > Guntar Uckermark > Ajax Hohenstein > Apollo Hunenstein > Tell Hainberg > Rolf v.d. Schoneyg
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    I have been informed by someone in Oz Deal of Ponthieu male line is Pollux > Fritz v Schwenningen SZ20 then Pax Brenztal etc.



    UK Champions 1922

    Date of Qualification 11/5/1922
    Adda V Glockenbrink (B) KCSB no. 1177 BB 3 CC's
    sire: Arno v. Schwalbennest dam: Aster v. Katterturm Breeder J. Adrian (Germany)

    Date of Qualification 17/5/1922
    Allahson of If (D) KCSB no. 361 CC 13 CC's
    sire: Allah v. Rolandsbogen dam:Dierma v. Humboldtpark (Dora of If)Breeder Major O. E. Forsyth Major

    Date of Qualification 22/6/1922
    Gerta v. Simplon (B) KCSB no. 1621 CC 3 CC's
    sire: Alex Petersen dam: Trassa v. Simplon Breeder J. Steiger (Switzerland)

    Date of Qualification 28/7/1922
    Goda v. Simplon (B) KCSB no. 1622 CC 3 CC's
    sire: Alex Petersen dam: Trassa v. Simplon Breeder J. Steiger (Switzerland)

    Date of Qualification 15/9/1922
    Leader of Nisbet (D) KCSB no. 362 CC 3 CC's
    sire: Ekkehardt v. Fuerstenhagen dam: Azar v. Hainstadt Breeder Major I. Ewing

    Date of Qualification 11/10/1922
    Ajax Niederwil KCSB no. 258 CC 3 CC's
    sire: Swiss Seiger Alex v. Rabbental PH dam: Dora v. SpitzwaldBreeder F. Egger (Switzerland)


    Male line Arno v. Schwalbennest
    Pilot > Wolf Balingen > Graf Eberhard Esp > Munko Boll > Horst Boll > Nores Kriminalpolizei > Arno v Schwalbennest

    Male Line Allah v Rolandsbogen
    Heinz Starkenburg > Roland Starkenburg > Hettel Uckermark > Alex Westfalenheim > Allah v Rolandsbogen

    Male Line Alex Petersen
    Alex Westfalenheim > Alex Petersen


    Male line Ekkehardt v Fuerstenhagen
    Nores Kriminalpolizei > Ekkehardt v Fuerstenhagen

    Male Line Alex Rabbental
    Beowulf > Jokel Schwetzingen > Rolf Karolingen > Orto Simplon > Alex Rabbental
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    For those wanting to learn more:
    the Alsatian Wolf-dog club was officialy recognised by the KC on 6/8/19, I believe they actualy started to collect names of prospective members in Feb 1918, then on 17/4/19 a booklet with rules of the club and the breed standard was then sent to each prospective member with an invitation to join the club.
    May 7th 1919 the KC recognised the name of the ''Alsatian Wolf-dog''

    Grand Champion Nores v. d. Kriminalpolizei
    Many of his decendents were white specimens mostly with fleshy noses and light eyes, it is believed that the paling colour in the English lines came down from this line with a lot of the dogs even blk/tan had light nails etc.


    just a bit of info for you, in the original standard in Germany whites were allowed but only in the long haired Alt Deutche Dogs. Although the original UK standard which was translated from the French standard and supposed to be translated from the German Standard whites were 'debarred' this was possibly because no long-haired Old German Dogs were imported to the UK.

    A few links so you can see what the Altdeutsche Schaferhund looks like:
    http://www.from-greatfull-dynasty.de/apps/photoalbum?aid=1849

    http://www.hundezucht-vom-boehmerwald.de/frame.htm
    hope last one goes to right page if not click on the link for that breed has she has 3 breeds, from what she tells me the Altdeutsche can be sharp in temperment.

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