Split thread/ Why were NI's in the Working Group? (Comp show)

Lovely photos

But why was an Inuit in Working Group ??

I was also wondering this

Love the agility shots - that was very good for her first time on the A-frame!

Our dogs are entered in the working group because what else should they be entered in?
Obviously the judge today and on many other occasions didn't think they were entered in the wrong class.

I think Utility or Pastoral (I get the two mixed up !!)...Pet !

They are not a working 'breed' dog, and neither were all the dogs used to create the NI !

What makes you think they should be in 'Working' ??

AV, or if you are putting them in a group I would guess Utility. Working dogs were bred to do a specific job, as were Pastoral - since the NI is a combination of several breeds from different groups, they do not belong to any of them (save possibly Utility).

Do the judges ask you what breed they actually are?

Abbey, regardless of what many Judges may personally think, if the show was held under KC rules, it should not have allowed NI into Working at all !

Was the show under KC rules ??

I think you may not have realised that we are in Ireland not the UK. The shows here that we attend are run under the Irish Shows Association rules and nothing to do with the KC.

I put these photos on as I am extremely proud of my girls and not to start an argument.

If you don't have anything nice to say then please say it somewhere else.

Considering it was Sachas first time doing the agility stuff she looked like she did excellent - well done with that and the placings!

Off topic** and you know what even though they wern't specifically breed for 1 particular type of work and regardless of any technicalities of what class they should be placed, in my opinion they would be more than capable to do many 'jobs' - just because people find it hard to catergorise them it doesn't mean they are made out of jelly lol I don't really give a rats ? about all the catergories and labelling so what if she was in working and WON lol if she was in Utility or even, dogs that are as useless as a choclate firegaurd because people don't know how to catergorise them - she would have still most likely won. (All said with a big grin )

This thread has been split from a companion show result thread.

Please do not go off-topic - just discuss the OP's question, when that is done just let the thread die.. cheers

Many N.I do work anyway, i suppose its what your definition of work is, we have some in search and rescue, mine personally work hard at being pains in the ass but thats another story lol, there isnt always a working class or a utility class here in ireland so we have been known to go in sporting, we always ask first anyhow and have had no complaints, maybe because all the folk who show here are out to enjoy themselves and not to be bitchy!

I have spoken to various judges about this subject and they have all advised us that working group is the correct group for our dogs. Until the time our dogs are KC recognised we will never know for definate but the judges have told us that as the dogs origins are working dogs then that is the group they would be in.
As the working group is now no longer in existance in IKC shows this seems a pointless argument as I believe in the future NI's will be classes as spitz and primitive.

I am a little confused as to why they would be in this group as they are neither Spitz nor primative

The FCI have more groups than the KC dont they? Do they not have the equivalent of a Utility group?

congradulations jane and sacha on your wins,whilst people argue the toss about which class you should or shouldnt be in,the judge obviously saw a well balanced dog with good movement and correctly handled.

This post was a duplicate of the one below - not sure how that happened so I have edited this

This is what I was told by a judge

Thank you Julie. I can't see the point in the arguing either. If you enter your dog in the class the judge doesn't think is suitable for your dog then you don't get placed. Your fault nobody elses.

This thread was split so that people enquiring as to why they were put in a particular group didn't interfere with the congratulations thread which is still active. Rather than people 'arguing the toss' as you put it, I think they are curious (I myself am) as to why they were classified as a working dog when they were not bred to work.

I have just had a look at the FCI groups - would Group 9, which includes Companion dogs, not be more suitable? As this is what they were bred for.

I think this is a subject for the future when NI's are eventually recognised and the KC and IKC etc will decide this. Until this time we enter agricultural shows. The classes vary. We enter the class that best suits our dogs that is available. Sometimes this is working or utility or on occasion sporting.

I have to say I have never attended a show in the UK apart from NI shows. I hope that anybody showing an NI in the UK at a companion show doesn't come up with the opposition that is evident on this thread. The shows that we attend are very friendly, well attended by all breeds, and I have never seen this breed prejudice at any show.

sorry if id seen the other thread i would have congradulated her there as well,were as i wont disagree with what your saying,jane has already said that she has asked before entering which classes to go in,she has gone in those classes under instruction from the organiser,and WON.

True, however would the clubs not get any input into what group they went in? (Sorry, have no idea how breed recognition works).

I guess that is all you can do - ask the judge what class they would recommend.

I think its very rude to knock the judges the way you have. As i've said before we don't enter companion shows in the UK we enter agricultural shows in Ireland. All the judges I have seen are very professional and do a great job. Yes sometimes thery don't know our breed but they do ask. If not the exibitor then somebody else. We often have commentary in ours shows which I think is great for the audience to learn about the different breeds. Our dogs are always known as northern inuits. They have never got it wrong. I admire lots of breeds including huskies and mals and don't see why some people are so anti NI. My opinion is if you've anything bad to say about them then you've never met one