Wondering what other dogsey peeps think about puggles - and should I get one? My youngest daughter loves pugs and my oldest daughter loves beagles... Its a compromise. So please tell me what you think - have a look at the breeder "Puggles-r-us" (it sounds fishy but looks reliable enough). "They're not as cute as pugs!" "Pugs are hideous!" "I love their curly tails!" etc. etc. I though it might be a good idea. Jay.
They breed 9 "breeds" in total. And always seem to have pups available. My parents spoke to them about getting cocker poodle crosses. Tried to pap to pups from the same litter. Wouldnt touch them with a barge pole.
The problem with adopting a crossbreed like this is that sadly, lots of the breeders are in it for the money. They do not perform all the necessary health tests to ensure healthy litters and you could end up with a sickly pup, which would break both your daughter's hearts (I've been there, done that - 'inherited' a BYB puppy through a relative and after 2 years of bad hip dysplasia, she was put down aged just 4). Despite the myths, crossbreeds aren't automatically healthier - "diluting" a Pug in with a Beagle might reduce the chances of the dog suffering typical health issues like entropion, luxating patella etc. but these 'faulty' genes could still be passed on to some of, or perhaps even all, the pups. Ditto with the Beagle issues. The luckier pups may not suffer either of the typical breed issues but the unluckier ones may inherit both sets. Infact, both breeds have a few issues in common according to google - both are apparently slightly more prone to distichiasis so you certainly want to buy from a breeder who takes all these health issues into consideration, does all the appropriate health tests and monitors their lines carefully for problems. Puggles-r-us does mention eye testing but nothing else. A "vet check" is nothing more than a trip to the vet to have a general once-over externally - so nothing more sinister would get picked up if the pups had no external symptoms at the time of the check. You and I could do these basic vet checks so they mean nothing really. And don't let the Puggle term fool you - if you read their "about" page then they mention having one "F2" Puggle for future litters, and then two Pugs to sire the current pups. So basically they're breeding a Pug with either a Beagle or Beagle x Pug and selling the pups - they've not been selectively bred over generations, bred for certain qualities, finely tuned litter by litter, they are literally just crossbreeds and could turn out with the characteristics of either a Pug, a Beagle, or anywhere inbetween. They're not a breed, just a crossbreed that someone's stuck a gimmicky name on. If you want a mixture of the two but don't want to support bad breeding practices (not saying you couldn't find a decent breeder, but definately do your homework - this Puggles R Us just screams "Beware" to me), why not adopt a Beagle x Pug from a rescue? A decent rescue will assess the dog so you'll have a much better idea of its temperament, activity levels, etc.
I'm kind of hoping that you're not serious, but in any event, please, please don't get a puggle..well particularly not from those people. In principle I have no objection to crossbreeds (although the fact that your children like each breed is, imo, not the right reason for chosing a cross of the two). The difficulty is that there are so very few decent breeders of crosses. With a cross of two breeds you have no idea what you are going to get - it may look almost completely pug, it may look completely beagle. It may look like a pug but have the traits of a beagle (strong hunting instinct making them follow a scent for miles often leading to recall problems). if you want to take a chance on looks/traits/size etc, get a rescue mongrel. Otherwise, please read up on the various breeds and chose one based on more than looks alone.
Thanks everyone. I wasn't sure about this, but kids are very persuasive And as for the rescues, we have looked everywhere trying to find one, but nobody will let us have one - because we have a (nearly) 2 year old and a garden thats not fenced. Its very frustrating. Whats your thoughts on pugs? jay.
Pugs rarely appear in rescue and when they do they don't hang around for long. Have you thought about taking on an adult health tested pug from a breeder. There are a few around at the moment ranging from 10 months to 5 years old.
Don't give up on rescues - some have blanket policies but plenty will consider individual circumstances! Perhaps try looking a little further afield, lots of rescues will rehome nationwide. Could you not fence your garden in, perhaps even just part of it if it's too large to fence? I have a really large garden that stretches all the way around (similar to a corner plot house) so it would've cost a fortune to fence in to the standards the rescue wanted (it's all fenced but not the 6' the rescue insisted apon!), so they came around for my homecheck and we hashed out some ideas for a compromise. I ended up fencing off a section from the back door with 6' fencing - it's probably a similar size to lots of people's gardens so the dogs aren't missing out, but it does mean there's a safe, secure area for pee breaks, games in the garden, etc. (proved very handy as Casper quickly demonstrated his ability to climb 6' fencing and we had to adapt it further to keep him in!) If you're after a puppy then it may be a good idea to sit down and think of characteristics you'd like in a dog, and those you'd dislike, and see if Dogsey members can suggest breeds. Make a list of physical traits - small, medium, big, giant? Doesn't shed much or you're not fussed? High maintenance grooming required or just a quick brush a couple of times a week? These are physical attributes you can't really change, so make these a priority. Then try to think of behavioural traits - do you want a dog that you can let off down the local park, or are you prepared to put extra effort into finding safe walks if you pick a breed known for its lack of recall? Do you want a highly intelligent, active breed to do agility with, or a couch potato that's happy with a short potter around the block and a cuddle on the sofa? Do you have the experience for a stubborn breed or are you a dog newbie wanting something a bit easier? Lots to think about that could play a big part in the breed to go for.
Firstly don't get a dog for the children, they are not play things . Secondly you need to fence your garden for any dog so it can go out and play or to the toilet. I don't understand why you can't fence it or at least part of it. If its for financial reason then how would you afford vets bills etc etc. Thirdly you stated on another thread about getting a greyhound that your little one was rather wild. I would first get him/her calmed down and ready to respect a dog fully so they don't become another statistic and put a dog in a situation the only thing it can do is bite. Sorry if I seem harsh, but you really need to get everything sorted and ready for a dog first and I have to be honest even if I am slated for it from what you have said that I have read I would not home to you either. Hopefully what I have picked up on is not right and I do acknowledge I don't know you, perhaps if I met you and saw what you had to offer a dog I may change my mind.
Hmm.... The dog wont be for the kids. I would really like a dog too. Our previous rescue dog died last year in August aged 17. Our house seems empty without a dog. I would really like a smaller dog now (hence Pug) that wont take up too much room (I would really like a rottie but, space issues ) We could get our garden fenced, its only a small bit thats not fenced (there is currently ladders blocking it off the now!) I may be slated but I've looked at some breeders for rottweilers and pugs and came up with Varenka rotties and Victorichael pugs. We would like a breeder in Scotland but would be willing to travel to England. Does anybody know any good ones? Thanks for being honest everyone, I'm still very noob on this subject. Oh, and, our doggy options have been narrowed down to Rottweiler, Pug, Greyhound/lurcher, or rescue. But any recommendations appreciated. Jay.
I have 2 puggles both from puggles r us. A friend also has 2 from them. All 4 dogs are very healthy. In my experience Pugglesrus are not puppy farmers out for a quick buck. They clearly love all their animals and care about the welfare of the pups. All came first innoculated, vet checked, petplan insured, microchipped ( registered in your name). seems like a lot of effort to make a quick buck!
Insurance is free to the breeders, if they microchip themselves that about £5 or less each. No registration, and no HV testing for ANY of the Pugs. They are so much of a breed, I expect yours look identical do they? I mean that would be good type to type breeding, yes?
There are so many dogs in rescue, I'm sure one of the right size would be good for you and your family....... These dogs deserve a second chance.....
In a word - no! If you want a mongrel, go to a rescue centre, plenty of them in there desperate for homes!
Just noticed you are from Scotland...... here is my Scottish rescue dog list. Dog Breed Rescues Afghan Hound Club of Scotland Rescue Mrs S Blane, Marykirk, Kincardinshire. Tel: 01674 840454 Beagle Welfare Scheme Sandy Purves, Edinburgh, Tel: 0131 3341030 Bearded Collie Club Rescue Mrs A Gill, Whiterashes, Aberdeenshire. Tel: 01651 882264 Bearded Collie Club of Scotland Rescue Mrs E Black, Kilmarnock, Tel: 01560 700691 Bedlington Terrier Rescue and Rehoming Mrs S Davies, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. Tel: 01563 533671 Northern Belgian Shepherd Dog Club Mrs D Fleming, Helensburgh, West Dunbartonshire. Tel: 014366 78895 Bernese Mountain Dog Club of Scotland Rescue Mrs A Wilson, Hareshaw, Cleland. Tel: 01698 860298 Bichon Frisé Rescue Mrs D Watson Scotland. Tel: 0131 6649114 Border Terrier Welfare Joe Deary 07757 055 174 Boxer Rescue By phone: Lorraine 01779 812799 or Karen 01343 813999 Bullmastiff Society of Scotland Rescue Mrs L Lawrie (Welfare Co-ordinator), Larkhall. Tel: 01698 887378 Collie Rescue (Rough and Smooth) Mrs P Corney, Ochiltree, Ayrshire. Tel: 01290 700276 Mr & Mrs J Howarth, Brechin, Angus. Tel: 01356 623732 Welsh Corgi Rescue Service Mrs E Rhodie, Chance Inn Cupar, Fife, Scotland. Tel: 01334 828517 Dalmatian Club of Scotland Rescue Mr A Kerr, Newport, Fife. Tel: 01382 330010 Elkhound Rescue Fund Mrs E Jamieson, Scotland. Tel: 01241 828029 German Shepherd Rescue Jayne Shenstone, Auchterarder, Perth Tel: 01764 664894 Fax: 01764 664909 Second Chances German Shepherd Rescue Carol Tritschler, Secretary, Caris, Shore Road, Cove, By Helensburgh, G84 0NP Tel: 01436 842042 or 01368 864550 German Shepherd Dog Rescue Scotland Netherton Lodge, Nether Kincairney, Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland, PH8 0HQ. Tel: 01738 710111 01294 464654 Scottish Great Dane Club Rescue Mrs Karen Smith (Co-ordinator), Leven, Fife. Tel: 01333 350444 Dumfriesshire and Cumbria Greyhound Rescue Tel: 0845 3451148 Email: waggytales@btinternet.com Greyhound Awareness League Scotland. Information Line: 0870 8887277 Email: info@gal.org.uk. Golden Retriever Club of Scotland Rescue Mr & Mrs E Fogg, Perth. Tel: 01738 624751 Mrs M McLaren, Perth. Tel: 01738 632 376 Irish Setter Club of Scotland Rescue Mrs S Sturrock, Laurencekirk, Tel: 01674840820 Lhasa Apso Club of Scotland Rescue Mrs M Maclaughlin, Arbroath. Angus. Tel: 01241 829005 Labrador Rescue - Scotland Miss V. Salmon, Cupar, Fife. Tel: 01337 858363 Newfoundland Club Welfare Scheme Mrs K Gibson, Cove, Dunbartonshire. Tel: 01436 842218 Mrs S Scanlon, Newmilns, Ayrshire. Tel: 01560321558 Old English Sheepdog Club of Scotland Rescue and Rehoming Mrs M Mcwilliam, Gartcosh, Glasgow. Tel: 01236 874129 Mr J Macdonald, Shawlands, Glasgow. Tel: 0141 632 4893 Mrs D Patterson, Edinburgh. Tel: 0131 468 2396 Papillon Club of Scotland Rescue Mrs Mary Whitehill, Kirkaldy, Fife. Tel: 01592 260872 Fife Rottweiler Rescue email: contact@fiferottweilerrescue.co.uk phone: 07955 809 628 Standard Poodle Rescue Mrs Barbara Turnbull - Scotland & Northern Ireland Tel/Fax: 01644 470311 Pekingese Rescue Miss W Middleton, Aberdeen. Tel: 01224 632465 Mrs D Gunn, Letham, Angus. Tel: 01307 818296 Pyrenean Mountain Dog Rescue Scheme (Scotland) Mrs J Henderson (Co-ordinator) Leven, Fife. Tel: 01333 340672 Scottish St Bernard Trust Ms T Aitken, Eyemouth, Berwickshire. Tel: 01890 871461 Email: trudie@aitken6345.fsnet.co.uk Scottish Terrier Emergency Care Scheme Mr P Waring, Edinburgh, Scotland. Tel: 0131 3460634 Mrs C Annan, Killearn, Glasgow. Tel: 01360 550230 Welsh Springer Spaniel Rescue and Rehoming Scheme Ms R Dalrymple, Rosewell, Lothian. Tel: 0131 663 1211 Scottish Staffordshire Bull Terrier Rescue Mrs K Hamilton, Dirleton, Lothian. Tel: 01620 850298 or 07775 875993 Tibetan Spaniel Club of Scotland Rescue Mrs J Gregory, Cowdenbeath, Fife. Tel: 01383 514633 Tibetan Terrier Association Rescue Sue Dykes, Eaglesham, Glasgow Tel: 01355 303448 Independent Weimaraner Rescue and Re-homing Service Jean Fairlie (Admin), Shandon By Helensburgh, Argyll. Tel: 01436 820478 Email: tasairgid_weimar@compuserve.com Weimaraner Club of Great Britain Rescue Mr A Kousourou, Scotland, Tel: 01698 813817 Yorkshire Terrier Club of Scotland Rescue Mr James Cadger, Hawick. Tel:01450 376137 Borders : SSPCA Mellerstain Animal Centre Mellerstaine, Gordon, Berwickshire TD3 6LG Tel: 01573 410559. Central Bandeath Stray Dog Shelter Units 70-72, Bandeath Industrial Estate, Throsk, Stirling, FK7 Tel: 01786 812908 Email: geddesh@stirling.gov.uk SSPCA Stirling Animal Welfare Centre Ladysneuk Road, Cambuskenneth, Stirling FK9 5NP Tel: 01786 473388. Dumfries and Galloway Dumfries and Galloway Canine Rescue Centre Dovecotewell, By Glencaple, Dumfries, DG1 4RH Tel: 01387 770210 Email: dagcanine-resc@btconnect.com SSPCA Dunragit Animal Welfare Centre The Kennels, Dunragit, Stranraer, Wigtown DG9 8PH Tel: 01581 400253. Fife Haven Dog Rescue Union Farm Boarding Kennels Craigrothie, Cupar, Fife. KY15 5PJ Tel: 01334 828342 Email: alex@havendogrescue.co.uk Help Fife Animals Dog Management Centre 6 High Street, Leslie, Fife, KY6 3DA Tel: 01592 620300 Fax: 01592 745775 Email: annemcleanmeg@hotmail.com Bark Tel: 01888 544644 The Dunragit Boarding Kennels and Cattery, Dunragit, STRANRAER, Wigtownshire SCOTLAND DG9 8PH Telephone: 01581 400 253 Second Chance Kennels Balbeggie Avenue, Thornton, Fife, KY1 3NS Tel: 01592771933 Email: ena@secondchancekennels.fsnet.co.uk Grampian DAWGS. (Dog Action Working Group Scotland) 6 Whitemyres Holdings, Lang Stracht, Kingswells, Aberdeen, AB15 6NB Tel: 01224 208989 Fax: 01224 313877 Email: dawgsabdn@hotmail.com Mrs. Murray's Dog and Cats' Home Brickfield, East Seaton, Aberdeen, AB24 1XL Tel: 01224 483624 Highland Grantown Dog Rescue Covering the Spey Valley area Tel: 01479 812 683 or 01479 811 738 Email: grantowndogrescue@gmail.com SSPCA Inverness Animal Welfare Centre 5 Inshes, Old Perth Road, Inverness. IV2 5BA Tel: 01463 0206. SSPCA Balmore Animal Welfare Centre Balmore, Dounreay, By Thurso, Caithness KW14 7YB Tel: 01847 861386. Lothian Dog Aid Society of Scotland 60 Blackford Avenue, Edinburgh, EH9 3ER Tel: 0131 668 3633 Fax: 0131 668 1063 Dogs Trust Rehoming Centre (formerly NCDL) Bentyhead, West Calder, Lothian EH55 8LE Tel: 01506 873459. Edinburgh Dog and Cat Home David Ewing 26 Seafield Road East, Portobello, Edinburgh, EH15 1EH Tel: 0131 669 5331 / 0131 657 5601 Lothian Dogs Home Whitebog, Rosewell, Midlothian. Tel: 0131 660 5842 SSPCA Lothian Animal Welfare Centre Mansfield, Balerno, Edinbugh EH14 7JU Tel: 0131 449 3979 Fax: 0131 449 6411. Strathclyde SSPCA Bothwell Bridge Animal Welfare Centre Bothwell Road, Hamilton ML3 0SB Tel: 01698 281128. SSPCA Ayr Animal Welfare Centre Millview, No 4 Holding, Mainholm, Ayr KA6 5HD Tel: 01292 265975. SSPCA Glasgow Dog and Cat Home 125 Kinnell Avenue, Cardonald, Glasgow G52 3RY Tel: 0141 882 1688. SSPCA Milton Animal Welfare Centre Milton, Dumbarton, G82 2UA Tel: 01389 761208. Tayside SSPCA Dundee Animal Welfare Centre Petterden, Dundee DD4 0QD Tel: 01382 380593. Borders Animal Welfare Centre Craigsford Earlston TD4 6DJ 01896 849090 bawacentre@tiscali.co.uk PADS (dogs) Perthshire Abandoned Dogs Society Forteviot Kennels Forteviot Perth Scotland PH2 9BS 01764 684491
Some bold claims on the website: can be walked off the lead with confidence it will not run off totally safe around children adores all other dogs. I don't think you can guarantee that about any 'breed'. It downplays the need to train your dog (and children)
