can someone explaine the breed standard of NI {type} dogs to me,, Discussions

I thought I would start a new thread following on from another thread where the breed standard came up for NI type dogs

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=87464&page=6

my first question is

how many standards are out there for these dogs,

can someone explaine them to me

My first concern is, the standard posted on the above link for the Northern Inuit,

height : 24" to 32" which brings these dogs into the size range of IWH, Borzois, Deerhounds

but the dogs lenght has to be as 10/9 so its a very long dog

which must have a short Loin
but
elbows fitting close to chest
with
Leg length longer than over all height
and
short hocks

any explanation of this would be great,​

:? Never really paid much attention to the detail of the standard before, but that seems like a nightmare to me overall. Constructionally it sounds like a very odd dog and if it has a short loin, how many ribs would it need ? :?

Dogs come with 13 pairs, therefore 26...( ribs that is lol )

That's helpful !

So say for example!

a dog is 30" high he would be 33" long, with short loin, then longer leg than depth of body, but elbows fitting close to chest,, and short hock, can someone draw me a pic of that? ​

i was going to ask the same thing.. or post a picture of a dog that's really close to the stated measurements? has a scale diagram ever been drawn up?

I wouldnt have thought so,,,If there has, then I have grave concerns for the breed,

anyone on the forum good at this sort of thing?
scale diagrams I mean,, !

It would have to have an extremely long upper thigh :?

No wonder people are so confused by the standard if there's no actual blueprint to go by. If there was an exemplary dog/wolf and the standard was written to that animal then at least there would be no ridiculous measurements. On the other had, if the standard hasn't been written to a particular animal, then the measurements would surely have to be derived from studying the construction of similar animals, altering them to an 'ideal' perhaps, and creating accurate drawings.

I'm not sure of all the terminology in breed standards, but if I work it out, I'd have a go at a diagram.

I think the standard says 'shot' hock, so the thigh would need to be exceptionally longer.

Your right, back to the drawing board

Are there any dogs with short loin when they are longer than they are tall. Can someone point me in the direction of a breed that has this so I can imagine that picture and add the rest to it because I cannot get a mental picture of this dog as described, why did they not just write a breed standard based on a particular wolf, (seeing as we already have wolves and they are pretty much similar among species) and then adapt temperament, if it is a wolf - looking dog that is desired?

Last night you accused people of riddiculing threads about the NI. Shona has posted a perfect ligitimate thread, with valid questions and your first two replies are above, how on earth should people respond and take the breed seriously?

I guess my next question would have to be! what could / should be done to improve this standard?

http://www.northerninuitdog.co.uk/aboutthebreed.htm

BREED STANDARD
GENERAL APPEARANCE:

A DOG OF MEDIUM BUILD, ATHLETIC BUT NEVER RACEY.SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN TALL(AS 10-9), WITH LEG LENGTH SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN OVERALL HEIGHT. OVAL BONE IS NEITHER TOO HEAVY OR TOO LIGHT.

HEAD:

NOT TOO BROAD, SKULL SLIGHTLY DOMED. MUZZLE SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN SKULL, STRONG AND GENTLY
TAPERING. LIPS CLOSE FITTING AND ALWAYS BLACK. CHEEKS FLAT. NOSE BLACK (WINTER NOSES ACCEPTABLE) AND NOSTRILS LARGE. SLIGHT STOP. PERFECT SCISSOR BITE.

EYES:

OVAL, FORWARD FACING AND SET AT A SLIGHTLY OBLIQUE ANGLE. YELLOW TO BROWN TO BE PREFERRED, BUT ANY COLOUR PERMITTED.

EARS:

SET FAIRLY HIGH, NOT TOO LARGE AND CARRIED ERECT.

NECK:

STRONG AND MUSCULAR WITH A WELL DEFINED NAPE.

SHOULDERS:

MODERATELY SLOPING AND FLAT. ELBOWS FITTING CLOSE TO CHEST, WHICH MUST NOT BE TOO BROAD.

BODY:

TOPLINE LEVEL, RIBS WELL BACK. LOIN SHORT AND DEEP WITH NO EXAGGERATED TUCK UP. CROUP BROAD AND FAIRLY SHORT BUT NOT TOO STEEP. TAIL SET FAIRLY HIGH AND REACHING TO THE HOCK, CARRIED LOW WHEN STANDING, MAY BE LIFTED WHEN EXCITED BUT MUST NOT BE CARRIED OVER THE BACK. GOOD REAR ANGULATION. SHORT HOCKS.

HIND FEET:

OVAL, MAY HAVE FIVE TOES BUT DEW CLAWS REMOVED IS PREFERED BUT NOT ESSENTIAL.

FORE FEET:

ROUND, PASTERNS UPRIGHT BUT FLEXIBLE. PADS BLACK AND WELL CUSHIONED WITH HAIR.

COAT:

DENSE DOUBLE COAT, SLIGHTLY HARSH IN TEXTURE. BODY COAT 3-5CM, LONGER ON RUFF AND BREACHES. TAIL BUSHY.

GAIT:

EASY AND FAR REACHING, COVERS THE GROUND.

SIZE:

BITCHES 22 INCHES MIN, DOGS 24 INCHES MIN. DOGS CAN BE UPTO 32 INCHES BUT OVERALL BALANCE MORE IMPORTANT THAN SIZE.

COLOUR:

PURE WHITE OR ANY COLOUR SABLE FROM TIMBER WOLF GREY, APRICOT THROUGH TO PURE BLACK. WHITE FACES ARE PERMITTED ON ANY COLOUR BUT WHERE WHITE APPEARS ON THE LEGS AND FEET IT MUST BE GRADUAL.

TEMPERMENT:

FRIENDLY AND PLACID. NEVER AGGRESSIVE OR SHOWING ANY GUARDING TENDENCIES. WILL
SUBMIT WHEN CHALLENGED.

FAULTS:

GAY TAILS, LONG COATS AND PATCHY/PINTO COLOURS

I just can't get passed this bit:
WITH LEG LENGTH SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN OVERALL HEIGHT
How would that be possible in a dog, may be in a spider but if a dog had legs longer that it was tall, it would be taller, would it not?

Just noticed this bit under body section:
GOOD REAR ANGULATION. SHORT HOCKS
Well it would jolly well have to be if the legs are longer then the dog is tall

HELP

NIS breed standard says:

with leg length slightly longer than OVERALL DEPTH OF BODY - not longer than overall height!!

to be fair its not whats writen in the above standard,, there are other problems with the length of the dog being as 10/9 with short loins,, I just think if people are breeding to standard,,,its going to cause problems,,

does anyone know how to copy the breed standard from the NIS I cant seem to get it to work
to be fair to sally that one is worded as she stated,,

LOL Pita! Does it really say that? Can't help you though.