Black and Tan Jrt question. Questions

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  1. Murf

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    Black and Tan Jrt question.

    Does anyone know where the black and tan colour comes from in JRT's..??
    Ty
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  3. Fernsmum

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    Lancashire Heeler ?
  4. Laura-Anne

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    Apparantly its crossbreeding. And mis-selling so they can get more money because they're "rare"

    Totts is meant to be a full JRT
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    Her sister looks like a full JRT, but they cant be full JRT lines.

    Thats the info ive been given from JRT breeders and JRT forums

    L

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  5. Laura-Anne

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    Sorry think i misunderstood your question maybe.

    Not sure :lol:
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    Am sorry don't know but a young one was in rescue recently n if was in better circumstance would have gone to see:-( Am sure (hope has been rehomed now)
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    I would have through it came from the heelers as well....
  8. Borderdawn

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    Probably black and tan working type Terriers, like fells/patts for example.
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    I would have thought perhaps Lancashire Heelers - and there is the most gorgeous little black and tan bitch up the road who is now in pup!!!! Can't wait to cuddle them.
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    I seem to remember an old man who had one telling me that that was one of the original colours but I dont know how much truth there was in it?
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    If you used a blue border on a JRT you often get the black and tan markings, wouldnt be difficult to keep that going, especially if you introduced black and tan fells etc..
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    One in rescue caught my intrest today ..
    Had 2 little white paws too..:blush:
  13. Kanie

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    There have been black and tan, smooth coated and rough coated terrier-types around for generations. My guess is that since so many non-pedigree small, smooth-coated terriers are refered to as 'Jack Russels' it is inevitable that you will get black and tans cropping up. Many non-KC reg terriers are a real blend of all sorts - either initially to produce a specific sort of working terrier, or just to make nice puppies (hmmm - no comment!)

    I've heard of a few people trying to pass black and tan smooth coated terriers off as 'rare' or even 'Irish' Jack Russels!

    Re the heelers, I can see how locally some terriers would have had some heeler blood way back (or even more recently) but outside the North West, I don't think heelers are anywhere near as common and even then they tend to be the KC ones that perhaps people have paid a little more for and may be less likely to have crossbred litters - deliberate or accidental.

    I know a farmer up in Lancs who deliberately bred a litter of border terrier x short legged jack russel (on the advice of his vet who said he's find the pups easier to sell and more healthy than going for purebred borders - again - no comment!!!) and most of that litter were black and tan - with a few white bits and some could easily grow up smooth.
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    Various less heaviliy coloured fox terrier/hound types from way back when? some English White terrier that no longer exists also rings bells as does Cornish whites (?). Google throws up reams. Bloke was aiming for a fox hunter that was easily distinguished from the prey (hence the mostly white). Fitting down a fox hole was also in the criteria - so whatever suitable shaped, predom white, hunter that fit the bill at a guess.


    For the "Rare black and tan" brigade I'm guessing bit more Datchound, Patterdale etc in the mix.

    Went a bit more Datchoundy anyway early 20th cent when Badger hunting was the thing. Iirc.

    Farmer prob ended up with some great little terriers. Sucker for random terriers.

    Terriers rule.

    Disclaimer: I know nothing.

    End Ramble.

    Edit: An plus 1 - various JRT type dogs floating around in paintings that well predate Jack Russell.

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