Wolf lookalike breeders Controversial

I have a bitch in season at the mo so things are a bit unsettled, but once she is out and things are back to normal, you are welcome to come and visit any time

You are welcome to visit too

I understand your concerns, I for one do take back puppies for whatever reason given at any time during their lives.

My guys are NI's and come into season twice a year.

I would be happy to meet up with your pack! ;-)
Infact Im sure Nuka would love to meet her Daddy!
Best wish's

The pure Saaloos only comes into season once a year like the Basenji.

What health tests have yours had?

Is there anything in any of the lines that can't be tested for - such as epilepsy?

Evolution doesn't happen over night...

What is the point and purpose of alot of breeds?

I think many/most of the breeds we have now, have been here for such a long time, most had a job when they were put together from the primordial soup of other breeds,

over the years these jobs have gone, but people have grown to love these breeds, who have long historys, many have gone on to do other jobs,
most are just pets, with hundreds of years behind them, poss seeing them do many diff things over that time.

Thanks, where abouts in co durham are you.

You've already got an invite you cheaky so and so

I have pm'ed you.

You might not have seen my questions:

You don't say, well I neva !!

I don`t generally get involved in these threads.. unless i`ve REALLY got something to say.. Lucky Star there is no evidence that Marie`s bitch Nanuq has any epilepsy in her lines.. even as a carrier... despite what some people would have you believe.. which (believe you me) is just spite.

Nanuq`s dam has had 3 litters to date.. all with the same stud dog.. no incidents recorded. The stud dog has (rightly or wrongly) fathered as many NI`s out there (my 2 included) as Ammick.. who incidental is his father.. so amounts to the same thing. I have NEVER heard any NI being fathered by this particular sire to have thrown ANY with epilepsy. He may well be a carrier... and has never been put to a bitch with the same markers.. as goes for the dam... but so can be said for EVERY NI in existence. As this can`t be tested for.. if people are going to breed anyway.. then they take their chances. I was at the genetics talk and i distinctly heard Dr. Jeff Sampson say.. not to take dogs out of the breeding program without any direct link (pups "effected" by epilepsy) as this would reduce the gene pool further.

Personally speaking.. i wouldn`t care less if they never bred another NI.. but i`m getting pretty miffed at the constant bombardment of posts.. directed at Marie, that insinuate she knows there's a specific problem and is ignoring the fact.. when i can assure you this is not the case. The rights and wrongs of breeding any NI.. is not what this post is about.. just one particular dog.

Well instead of making sarcastic comments (lowest form of wit and all that ;-) ) why don't you use your time more thoroughly to explain your original comment?

Thank you for your comments, Janie, but there is no evidence that she hasn't either - if you care to read back through previous threads and posts, you will see that mode of inheritance is not known and if epilepsy is in the lines, it is indeed a risk. I do not need to 'insinuate' anything; I do not know the history of other dogs on this thread and I am very concerned that puppies will be bred, some of which may carry a genetic condition that should be bred out. This thread is about Wolf Lookalike Breeders, not just the 'rights and wrongs of breeding any NI'. The original post asked:

"Its seems the wolf lookalike dog breeders are here to stay. But when is enough enough. They are breeding NI, BIs, Saarloos, Cwd and mixing them all up so noone will know what the hell you are getting soon.
Its becoming big business and its a dirty business in my eyes.
This dogs are NOT the perfect family pet like is being portayed.
Would love to hear fromsome breeders whats there motive as I feel as they are crossing breeds then not doing it to improve a breed so all I can think of is money."

At some point in the future, there will be NI/'something' crosses being put to other crosses. Some of the breeders of these crosses have come down very hard on the health and lack of confidence in pedigrees of Northern Inuit dogs. Hence, there is uncertainty as to where dogs really came from. This impacts upon health because if you don't know where your dog comes from, how the hell can you be sure what it may or may not be carrying?

If breeders of wolf lookalike dogs are going to continue to breed from dogs with known genetic health risks, i.e. from dogs that may be carriers, I would like to know what steps will be taken to ensure their progeny will never go to another other dog that might be a carrier - and how will anyone know who is or isn't a carrier without a genetic test being available.

So you see, Janie, I have a reason for asking my questions.

unfortunately LS there is no way of knowing who are carriers.. with no test available... it won`t be known until dogs produced affected pups. Then retire them from breeding.. but as mode of inheritance is not known.. you can`t even accurately establish which dog passed it on and how it it is passed on. . as it might be skipping generations.

The only possible solution is to stop breeding completely, as i said in my previous post.. i agree with... they are not the perfect family pet (my two most definitely are not) and feel very bitter about the whole thing.

But.. the breeding won`t stop.. while there`s a market.. so the best the people breeding can do is try and use as low risk dogs as they can. Which Marie`s dog is.

That, I can see.:-( I can't see any good reason to continue to breed in this case because to me, health is paramount.

Why do people have three litters from the same bitch and the same dog?? before any of the pups have grown up to let you see what you are getting when they mature?

Thats just money orientated!! has to be..

Not that it makes much difference but.. i mistakenly wrote 3 litter by the one sire.. which is inaccurate.. 2 litters by 1 stud (2 years apart, marie`s bitch came from the second litter) and 1 litter by his son (from a diff bitch a year later)

Whilst I hate to throw a spanner in the works and in no way disagree or condone anything mentioned below...purely sitting on the fence me but we all buy our leg of lamb, pork chops or steak from the butcher, who gets it directly from the farmer or the slaughter house where it originally came from the farm. Farmers keep their Ewe's or Heifers or Gilts and Sows purely to make money from them yet none of us have a problem with this. Alot of people make alot of money from buying and selling, breeding e.t.c in the equestrian world yet nobody worries about this.

So, why such a problem with breeders purely breeding (when their dogs are kept to high standards in excellent conditions and they actually come upto scratch with the KC accredited breeder scheme and council licences) for as you put it 'money'?

I think Navajo, its the sheer amount of puppies being produced...
I would much rather also that puppies were home reared within the family enviroment...
a lot of the saarloo cvwd puppies and x's kept in kennels are not benefiting from an enviroment where they can get used to sights sounds and smells when the are kept kenneled throughout most of the day, after all early socialisation for this type of breed is supposed to be paramount ...