I totally get where you are coming from Jessica. Have to say I've not come across the free use of the stud bit but I have heard of some breeders homing their Chis on "breeding terms" as in they don't charge for the pup (or charge a nominal fee) but the Breeder gets pick of litter if you decide to breed the pup when it's older.
That was just the one breeder who said that she throw in a free stud with bitches she sells to show/breeding homes as its very often the only way new people can get into the showing world. I dont know if the stud thing is common, but it seems that selling the larger bitches for people to breed their own show dogs is, several breeders we spoke to said that is what they do None of them mentioned breeding terms though...
Don't agree with that at all..if they are too small to actually have pups then they shouldn't be bred that way!! I mean its like the other breeds that were highlighted..bad hips, breathing problems etc..
My 2 are absolute nut jobs So it's not going to be anytime soon but if i start looking now then hopefully when/if my 2 ever mature then I will know what type of breeder im looking at etc. I agree a DDB would be a lot more sedate than a NI
The one thing that is getting to me a bit is not many breeders are health testing their breeding dogs. Is health testing not mandatory in Chi's?x
Yes Louise You put the chi world to rights Thats just the way it is. The breeders are doing the ONLY responsible thing they can, unless judges start putting up larger dogs in the show ring. Its certainly better than risking breeding the small bitches. I dont see how breeding small chi's has anything to do with bad hips and breathing problems... :? I suspect that was an excuse to put in a dig at other breeds?
They don't breed the small ones, they are the ones that go in the show ring. The show/breeders didn't make the breed standards of the preferred weight for showing, which is around 4lbs but breed standard is up to 6lbs. So even though these bitches are bigger than show size, they are still within breed standard, I expect. Certainly no reason why they shouldn't be bred, so long as they are healthy and to type. Chis don't normally suffer bad hips or breathing problems, so not really relevant, unless I'm missing the point. I watch the wolfy discussions that go on, on here but I don't post because I don't have the background information. However, I follow and learn, because I don't want to post until I know enough, so as I won't look silly when posting
Lol yes I'm sure 'nut job' should be in the breed standard (steady now) and yes, Su Pollard is more sedate than a NI!
I have now emailed and/or spoken to 8 Chi kennel club registered breeders and not one health tests is this a normal thing?
There are no specific Chi health tests available, to my knowledge. I have taken my girls for a health check before mating, as in heart, mouth, legs for lux patella (though I was pretty sure myself that they were okay but best to get professional opinion), organise the worming programme for the bitch and pups and just a general check-up. If my Vet had suggested any health checks, bloods, scans or anything, I would have paid for it to be done. I think you will find that most Chi breeders are fanatical about their dogs. If any relevant tests were available, I imagine such checks would be carried out by the majority. Of course, there are the money orientated breeders out there but, I imagine, you will soon suss them out within five minutes of speaking to them. I presume the breeders you have spoken to come from the Kennel Club website. I looked on there yesterday and noted that there were quite a few longcoat breeders on there.
wow! if that is the case then the breed standard needs changing right now the show dogs should be the healthiest best examples of the breed, if they are not safe to breed from then they are not a good example of the breed
Responsible Breeders tend to breed the larger bitches, as it is safer. Just because they are small doesn't make them unhealthy - it's purely a case of protecting their health and wellbeing, as nobody wants to put their bitch through a c-section. For instance, my Tiani is exactly to breed standard in every way and her weight falls within the "preferred" for showing purposes (not that I'd even consider it for one second). She is as healthy as can be. In over two years she has only ever been to the Vets for her vaccs. She has not had a single days illness. However, I am going to be arranging for her to be spayed this week, so as to never risk her having pups, as she is just 4lbs in weight and very tiny boned. She is very healthy, just a little risky to breed (though I've had breeders show great interest in buying her from me - yeah right, that's gonna happen;-) ). As for changing the breed standard, I'm all for it. It might stop the imbeciles out there from breeding too tiny bitches to create the so called "teacup Chi" that they charge the earth for. If the KC/Breed Clubs were to let it be known that Chis should not be under say 4lb, then it might encourage people to steer away from the tinies! Who knows? I had somebody say to me a couple of weeks ago that Pebbles was the biggest Chi she had ever seen. I said "really, well she's within the breed standard" but she was adamant, she'd NEVER seen one that big! Also, since I've been carrying the pups out for socialisation (10 weeks now), I've had several people tell me that they know someone with a fully grown Chi that is smaller than Frankie and Phoebe (that would make the Chi they know under 2lbs ). I don't even bother to answer. It seems that it's all about "my Chis smaller than your Chi" poop, which I very much doubt and who gives a monkeys about size anyways, so long as its within breed standard, healthy and has a sound temperament I blame this TEACUP business
Didnt mean the wee dogs werent unhealthy!! but its wrong that the healthy ones that are safe to breed from are considered too large Does that not mean (and excuse my ignorance here - I know little about breeding - except that I dont want to do it) that the runts of the litter are the ones shown Yup totaly agree with the teacup thing - its sick!! and people are suckerd into thinking they are a great thing My friends have a tiny teacup yorkie, she is a great wee thing, really full of fun but they cant let her play with other dogs as she would get hurt - she already broke her tail so she is not really getting to be a dog also she had problems with her teeth which needed an op and it took over a day to bring her round from the op - she nearly died People are sooo proud of having tiny dogs that can be carried around with them To me the happiest I see any dog is when it is rolling in the mud with a pack of like minded dogs - sure I know some dos are not dog friendly, but to breed one, for fashion, that cannot interact with any other dog its wrong sorry totaly OT
I have just mated my beige and white female with a black male. I would be over the moon to get a chocolate pup !
Oh yes, chocs are my fave!!!!!! Are there any chocs in the lines do you know???? Will they be long or smoothcoat if you get pups?
Ive seen julies friend around at shows, I can assure you all that this lady is defintally in it for the breed & not for the money!!!!! She had some of her Babies, last year at St helens show! we all had a lovely cuddle!!!!!
That's good then, the OP knows where to get a choc l/c Chi then, when the time is right for her/if she wants to go ahead and get a Chi
