My god they even have Sibes for sale! Now 8 out of 10 people that WANT a sibe prob shouldn't have one . . Bet they don't ask too many questions though do they No wonder there are so many breeds in rehoming and rescue when places like this are allowed to mass produce pups. So Sad . .
Ill be perfectly honest with you, if I saw him for sale, and next to him was a show type Beagle, given the issues and exaggerations in the show type Beagle now, Id of bought your dog home with me!
Aww he is lovely and I know the shop you've been to, I've been there too and its bloody awful isn't it :-( My mums next door neighbour (against my advice) just bought a cocker spaniel from there, she felt sorry for it because it was the last of the litter and was in on its own, it was 12 weeks old by then. She asked if they would reduce the price seeing as it was an 'older' pup, but they said no way and charged her £450 for the poor thing :? and they sold it with no questions asked at all.
I don't get it?? Your thread title says HELP Help with what?? You got a dog from someone who got it from Dogs 4 us so the origin of the dog would be dubious from the start..the fact its registered with DRLC means nothing..It could be anything.. NOt much anyone can help you with.. you have the dog now.. you either love him and keep him for the dog he is..regardless of what he is.. Or you pass him on like his last owners..(BUT given how you feel about him I doubt you would do that) If you wanted a Beagle then the best thing would have been to go to beagle breeders who health test and KC reg.. then you would have been guaranteed a beagle.. Its a hard lesson I suppose but one that may help others if they intend on going to a sh*thole like that for a dog..its like going to the supermarket for bread!!!
He's lovely - I prefer that build! I've got two Beagles - both from excellent breeders. My oldests' sister has qualified for crufts, but my little girl would get nowhere in the show ring. She's finely built like yours. (Although having said that she used to win beagle shows regularly at our racing club when they were judged by whippet owners ) But why care about show standards when you have such a lovely dog? I traced my girls pedigree back to the Eton College Beagles and actually have a photo of one of her pack hound ancestors - she's EXACTLY like her. She's also a superb athlete and can kick the butts of most dogs we know. If his parents were KC registered I can help you trace back if you tell me their names. We might find where he gets his looks from. Looks wise I've seen plenty of Beagles like that. Height wise 21 inches IS very tall for a beagle. Failing that my recommendation would be to find his strengths and celebrate those. I bet he's a great little athlete! Who says the show world dictates what the breed should look like. Check out the pack hound shows at Peterborough. And if he's a harrier research his breed's history and celebrate it
Certain pet shops have been known to buy puppies in of small breeds that are actually mixed with a larger breed so that more in the litter- I am sure your pup is allegedly beagle just bred from giants over generations.
Thanks again everyone for your kind words. I actually prefer his build to the show type beagles as well and as I said before he's a fantastic (ly naughty!!) dog and I'd not part with him for the world. I think using 'help' in the title perhaps made it sound a little catastrophic! The help I was really looking fo?r was some advice as to what to do about the original breeders and sellers. Should I be complaining to them? Should I report them? As for his ancestry I would love to trace his line back but I don't believe a word of his DLRC certificate. I have the name of the kennels (in Wales of course) and a three gen pedigree which I am more than happy to post if anyone feels that they could shed any light on his origins for me!!
I guess you could try reporting Dogs4Us to the RSPCA b ut you would have to give examples of how the puppies are neglected. I am almost positive i read a thread on another forum about the RSPCA visitng them and finding nothing that they could actually charge them with. being irrisponsible sellers and breeders unfortunately isn't illegal.
Post up (or PM if you prefer) anything you've got and I'll try all the methods I used when researching my little girls heritage. No promises, but I don't mind trying. And you never know - you might get some nice suprises
Thanks Scarter, I'm happy to post up. I'm not posting anything defamatory so I don't see a problem. The breeder is a Mrs M James of Jamesmor Kennels, Llangoedmor, Cardigan, SA43 2LJ. As I said before Brian is DLRC which led me to believe i'd never manage to trace anything, his kennel name is The Learner. Sire - Stable Lad DLRC Reg no.DL101660 Grand sire Flamboyant Lad Grand Dam Princess Bluebell Dam - Lowri Jane 13163 Grand sire Ellis's Farmers Boy Grand dam Rock around the clock Next gen up Flamboyant Lad sire - Gilcoru Donny dam tania cariad Princess bluebell sire flying dutchman dam elusive island queen Ellis's Farmer Boy sire Bruce Bruno dam rose of the moor Rock around the clock sire Bruce Bruno dam Sleeping Beauty
These are all KC registered: Ellis's Farmer Boy sire Bruce Bruno dam rose of the moor Rock around the clock sire Bruce Bruno dam Sleeping Beauty Flamboyant Lad sire - Gilcoru Donny dam tania cariad Flamboyant Lad has lots of champions in his pedigree - he's grandson of one of the famous Dyalynne beagles. None of the rest seem to be KC registered. Now there are some famous kenel names in that pedigree and we're only talking about dogs born in the last decade - people will remember what happened to their pups. If you really wanted to I'm sure you could contact them and perhaps find out more. Breeders were all VERY helpful when I contacted them for info about Beanie's ancestors. You should be able to establish whether your little boy really descended from these champion dogs - and where he got those long legs from I'll see what else I can dig up and I'll send you all the resources so you can search further yourself. We'll probably be able to trace right back to the pack hounds that he has descended from (assuming the pedigree is legit.)
Wow, that was quick, you're good at this! Thank you so much. I will certainly contact the breeders where I can. I'd love to think that those famous names were legit but I suspect they aren't or why would this breeder be selling to a pet shop!?
Here's the pedigree database so that you can start researching yourself: http://www.worldpedigrees.com/ Sign up for a free account and then click on the Beagles link and type in the KC names. If it's registered it should come up. You can then trace back and find out what packs your dog descended from. I would have thought it could well be legitimate. Legitimate breeders can't stop the people that buy their dogs from breeding with whoever they want. If the dog itself and the parents aren't KC registered is there any point in saying that grandparents are? I only had a quick look so far, but Flamboyant Lad seems to be the one to research simply because there's a well known kennel name in there. I've heard the Dyallynne people are very helpful and knowledgeable. They've got a website so you'd be able to contact them. They should be able to help you find out how much of the pedigree is likely to be legitimate. p.s. Post up what you find out - I'm very interested! I'll keep trying to help. p.p.s. No guarantee that a KC registered do is legit. Apparantly puppy farmers will say a KC registered dog has had a litter of 10 when in fact it's only 2. 8 of the pups are from a non-pedigree dog.
Jamesmor kennels? If so do you have any information? I was thinking about calling them and asking them what puppies they had at the moment to scope them out. I think I've landed myself on a bit of a personal crusade here
I took a closer look at the pedigree database. Mum IS KC registered. However, this is where it gets a little bit suspect as mum, Lowri Jane was apparantly born in Jan 1996. Assuming your little boy is young it would mean that he was born when mum was about 12 years old. As you have the breeders name why not contact them and ask about it? It seems a bit unlikely that a 12 year old bitch would have pups. They're listed in Yell.com with a telephone number - http://www.yell.com/listings/DoFindListings/241695/Castellan-House-Kennels/Dog-Breeders
